The "ghetto" Reta Stack. Tirz + Survo/Maz
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NAD+ buf daily
My 2c - the research literature shows that NAD+ precursors like NMN and NR in oral supplement forms are far more efficient in making NAD+ in the body. Subq research with direct NAD+ doesn't do the same thing.
See this explanation
@pep_researcher in my testing, simple oral nicotinic acid 500mg leaves behind both NMN and NR.
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Does anyone know when the sugar cravings go away with survo? Very hard to deal with since sweets have always been my weakness. I am 7 weeks in and on 1.8 mg and tirz 7.5 mg.
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Does anyone know when the sugar cravings go away with survo? Very hard to deal with since sweets have always been my weakness. I am 7 weeks in and on 1.8 mg and tirz 7.5 mg.
Does anyone know when the sugar cravings go away with survo? Very hard to deal with since sweets have always been my weakness. I am 7 weeks in and on 1.8 mg and tirz 7.5 mg.
I started Survo 3 weeks ago and cravings for sugar just starting to subside. Might want to consider backing down the dose a bit. While there is a protocol that you're in line with, if sugar is a big thing for you (and is for me too), you're getting a heafy glucose release from the liver that can be very obnoxious. It could be weeks or even months before it stops. Depends on the glucagon hit. I backed down to 1 or 1.25 and it helped quite a bit. (I love dark chocolate, lemon, maple, coconut... pretty much ALL of it!) Don't be in a hurry with the Survo.
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Thanks. I will bring it back down on Saturday.
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@americanchild Forgot to ask you if you're taking Suvo and Tirz at same time? Not a good idea.
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@americanchild Forgot to ask you if you're taking Suvo and Tirz at same time? Not a good idea.
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@americanchild Forgot to ask you if you're taking Suvo and Tirz at same time? Not a good idea.
Meaning you should take them 3 days apart right? Not at the same time/day?
@Nuncles I take my Survo 1st and 24 to 36 hrs. later I take the Tirz. Learned this the hard way. When Survo peaks, it has the Tirz rising to peak to cover some of those cravings. This way, you might only have to endure cravings a short amount of time, 12 to 18 hrs. Don't do Tirz first.
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Does anyone know when the sugar cravings go away with survo? Very hard to deal with since sweets have always been my weakness. I am 7 weeks in and on 1.8 mg and tirz 7.5 mg.
I started Survo 3 weeks ago and cravings for sugar just starting to subside. Might want to consider backing down the dose a bit. While there is a protocol that you're in line with, if sugar is a big thing for you (and is for me too), you're getting a heafy glucose release from the liver that can be very obnoxious. It could be weeks or even months before it stops. Depends on the glucagon hit. I backed down to 1 or 1.25 and it helped quite a bit. (I love dark chocolate, lemon, maple, coconut... pretty much ALL of it!) Don't be in a hurry with the Survo.
@Eleanor When did you start experiencing the sugar cravings with Survo? Luckily I haven’t experienced that yet, but I’m still on a pretty low dose of Survo at the moment. Was at 500mcg, but I just bumped it up to 750mcg after 4 weeks. I’ve never been that much of a sweets person so I’m just curious if those cravings come at a higher dose. But so far, I’m really loving the Survo with my Tirz. I just titrated up to 3mg of Tirz every six days then I take the Survo three days after my Tirz with no issues.
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@Eleanor When did you start experiencing the sugar cravings with Survo? Luckily I haven’t experienced that yet, but I’m still on a pretty low dose of Survo at the moment. Was at 500mcg, but I just bumped it up to 750mcg after 4 weeks. I’ve never been that much of a sweets person so I’m just curious if those cravings come at a higher dose. But so far, I’m really loving the Survo with my Tirz. I just titrated up to 3mg of Tirz every six days then I take the Survo three days after my Tirz with no issues.
@mrjoshua44 Nope, low dose and cravings fairly immediate. Never higher than 1.5mg. If you don't have a sugar cravings problem then I'm really happy for you bc they can be vicious!
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I posted on a discord server that my food nose was back since I started survo. Tirz had me completely dead to appetite. Some "expert" jumped on and explained the mechanisms of why survo would not cause hunger/food noise. Well, I know what I have experienced. But luckily it has died down and only lasts the day I take the survo. But I've been eating keto/carnivore ish most of the time so sugar cravings aren't a thing for me. I'd rather have a large pepperoni pizza. I am now down 78 pounds since January so I'm sticking with this combo.
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This rat’s tal… tail.
On 5mg Triz for two months now. Sundays Loosing 1-3# per week so no need to increase.
Last Thursday I added.6mg of Survo. The food noise, that was not bad to begin with, disappeared. I can fast easily 18 hours if needed, but I can also eat if I choose to. That’s a happy place.
Put the rat on the body scale today and all was a gradual graph lost 3 pounds, as expected, except the visceral fat graph. Which looks like this:
I think I’m gonna keep this protocol for a while.
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Nice! Congrats. But remember to hit your macros, bro!
(I totally don’t work for a protein shake company.)
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I try, it ain’t easy.
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This rat’s tal… tail.
On 5mg Triz for two months now. Sundays Loosing 1-3# per week so no need to increase.
Last Thursday I added.6mg of Survo. The food noise, that was not bad to begin with, disappeared. I can fast easily 18 hours if needed, but I can also eat if I choose to. That’s a happy place.
Put the rat on the body scale today and all was a gradual graph lost 3 pounds, as expected, except the visceral fat graph. Which looks like this:
I think I’m gonna keep this protocol for a while.
@Snake-Pepskin Nice work! I started on compounded Tirzepatide back in December at 2.125mg. Stayed there through the first part of February then moved up to 4.25mg. Was happy with that dose but had to come off of it completely for about a month and a half, due to some medical reasons. Back on it now at my initial dose but have added Survo to the mix. 4 weeks at 500mcg, now I'm at 750mcg, and I feel I'm really responding well to that combo. Usually take the Survo 3 days after my Tirz.
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I got the sugar cravings at 1.6 mg about a month in, backed down to 1 mg and it subsided greatly.
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At 70 with significant health concerns, I’m apprehensive about Reta with regard to the increased resting heart rate being reported in the trials. Any insight as to how or if either of these 2 recipes would be kinder to my heart?
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At 70 with significant health concerns, I’m apprehensive about Reta with regard to the increased resting heart rate being reported in the trials. Any insight as to how or if either of these 2 recipes would be kinder to my heart?
@BigScaryTrux I'm 58 with my own significant health issues. I tried researching Reta but didn't care for it, so I went down the rabbit hole on the some of the GLP combos. Trial data on tirzepatide shows a modest heart rate increase of 2–4 bpm. Retatrutide shows a larger increase of 5–10 bpm, though the study noted this tended to decrease around week 24 (YMMV). Trial data on cagrilintide (studies were on CagriSema) actually shows a decrease in heart rate (−2.9 to −3.7 bpm vs. placebo). Survodutide data shows roughly the same increase as tirzepatide (+2.7–3.5 bpm).
In my own experience, the tirz/cagri combo helped me to overcome a stall and i did't notice any increase in heart rate. I ended up settling at 7.5 mg of tirz on Wednesdays and 1 mg of cagri on Saturday.
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It sounds like maz and survo both hit GLP-1. The ghetto stack has the benefit of also hitting glucagon (along with the GLP and GIP triz hits) but doesn’t that have the affect of adding to the GLP already hit by tirz? Any concerns with that?
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