New Lab - Koverlabs, a bit concerning?
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Although the new COAs look more detailed and robust, it appears that there's little to no information anywhere regarding Kovera Labs. Even the Kovera website seems to have the bare minimum information required but nothing touting the staff or their certifications. What is really troubling is that a quick google search indicates that the IP registration information overlaps with that of InstantPeptides.com which would indicate they're operated by the same folks. Anyone have any information on Kovera labs? I like InstantPeptides.com but if they're taking short cuts---not sure they're going to be a good spot to purchase from anymore.
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Many vendors moved to Kovera recently. Should this be a concern to avoid them?
On another price index forum the admin there made a post a month ago that he tried to reach out to Kovera owner as he does for all other labs and Kovera was surprisingly standoffish, avoiding any open communication and contact with him.
That's a red flag IMO. Why would a testing lab owner not want to talk to a price index admin unless they have something they are trying to hide?
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Ive never set foot in the facility but i know its real. A lot of the vendors we are friendly with moved that direction because they were looking at 4-5 week delays from chromate and vanguard was losing their samples. They steer clear of trustpointe because the COA "isnt aesthetic" or something.
I know its a real place with real equipment. And they haven't been around long enough to take bribes like jano did 2 years ago from SSA....so there's that.
Im going to get some random compounds I already have results on from another lab and shoot them over to Kovera as TimTam von Dickerson so he doesnt know its us.
Lets see what those results say.
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Ive never set foot in the facility but i know its real. A lot of the vendors we are friendly with moved that direction because they were looking at 4-5 week delays from chromate and vanguard was losing their samples. They steer clear of trustpointe because the COA "isnt aesthetic" or something.
I know its a real place with real equipment. And they haven't been around long enough to take bribes like jano did 2 years ago from SSA....so there's that.
Im going to get some random compounds I already have results on from another lab and shoot them over to Kovera as TimTam von Dickerson so he doesnt know its us.
Lets see what those results say.
@Randy Awesome! That's why I love online pep communities and admins like you.
That's essentially my support system to survive and thrive in the RUO world. Hehe
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Ive never set foot in the facility but i know its real. A lot of the vendors we are friendly with moved that direction because they were looking at 4-5 week delays from chromate and vanguard was losing their samples. They steer clear of trustpointe because the COA "isnt aesthetic" or something.
I know its a real place with real equipment. And they haven't been around long enough to take bribes like jano did 2 years ago from SSA....so there's that.
Im going to get some random compounds I already have results on from another lab and shoot them over to Kovera as TimTam von Dickerson so he doesnt know its us.
Lets see what those results say.
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Main Concerns
Shared workspace / virtual address: Their listed location (Deerfield/Buffalo Grove, IL area, e.g., 570 Lake Cook Rd Suite 300 PMB) points to a coworking space or mailbox service rather than a proper equipped analytical lab. This is a common setup for low-overhead operations but raises doubts about having full HPLC, LC-MS, endotoxin, sterility, and heavy metals capabilities in-house.
"David Cohen" (Quality Director): The LinkedIn profile tied to them has been called out as potentially fake or AI-generated. No strong independent verification of credentials or a real lab team.
Ties to vendors: Reverse DNS and other checks by skeptics suggest the domain is linked to some peptide-selling sites. This fuels suspicions it's more of a "friendly" testing mill for vendors wanting quick, high-purity-looking COAs rather than a fully independent lab. Some note that vendors switching to them suddenly get suspiciously high results.
New and thin presence: Very young website, limited public info on staff/equipment/accreditation, and not much history. Scamadviser gives it a fair-but-not-great score mainly due to the newness. -
Main Concerns
Shared workspace / virtual address: Their listed location (Deerfield/Buffalo Grove, IL area, e.g., 570 Lake Cook Rd Suite 300 PMB) points to a coworking space or mailbox service rather than a proper equipped analytical lab. This is a common setup for low-overhead operations but raises doubts about having full HPLC, LC-MS, endotoxin, sterility, and heavy metals capabilities in-house.
"David Cohen" (Quality Director): The LinkedIn profile tied to them has been called out as potentially fake or AI-generated. No strong independent verification of credentials or a real lab team.
Ties to vendors: Reverse DNS and other checks by skeptics suggest the domain is linked to some peptide-selling sites. This fuels suspicions it's more of a "friendly" testing mill for vendors wanting quick, high-purity-looking COAs rather than a fully independent lab. Some note that vendors switching to them suddenly get suspiciously high results.
New and thin presence: Very young website, limited public info on staff/equipment/accreditation, and not much history. Scamadviser gives it a fair-but-not-great score mainly due to the newness. -
@Randy I'll add more to it. The founder cannot be found or verified either. All I can dig up is a trademark on the name. If you have nothing to hide, why hide so hard? I have little doubt they are buddy buddy with some (one or many) pep vendors and thus likely cutting corners, etc, assuming the testing is even legit. So much for independent testing.
Jano did a video tour with an X reporter. Huge difference in transparency. Labs also cost millions of dollars to carry out proper testing. I'm pretty confident Kovera is a scam on some level.
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Glacier even admits to photoshopped testing being sent to them. I need to start a real lab company. That's what is really missing in this niche industry.
Glacier even admits to photoshopped testing being sent to them. I need to start a real lab company. That's what is really missing in this niche industry.
He’s calling out bad labs doing this. Not using the CoAs is how I interpreted that statement.
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@WisGal64 Correct. Not Glacier's fault and the fact they are engaging is a good thing. Which "lab" is the question and how many of these labs cut corners b/c they have no shortage of vendors begging them to test product. The way to catch them would be to buy and retest.
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