New Lab - Koverlabs, a bit concerning?
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@Randy I'll add more to it. The founder cannot be found or verified either. All I can dig up is a trademark on the name. If you have nothing to hide, why hide so hard? I have little doubt they are buddy buddy with some (one or many) pep vendors and thus likely cutting corners, etc, assuming the testing is even legit. So much for independent testing.
Jano did a video tour with an X reporter. Huge difference in transparency. Labs also cost millions of dollars to carry out proper testing. I'm pretty confident Kovera is a scam on some level.
@gym.rat It doesn't cost millions of dollars to test peptides. The equipment is less than 250k . I visited a lab which was in a small office building with a sterile room the size of walk in close. There isn't much to it and they bought some equipment used and were under $200k
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@Randy I'll add more to it. The founder cannot be found or verified either. All I can dig up is a trademark on the name. If you have nothing to hide, why hide so hard? I have little doubt they are buddy buddy with some (one or many) pep vendors and thus likely cutting corners, etc, assuming the testing is even legit. So much for independent testing.
Jano did a video tour with an X reporter. Huge difference in transparency. Labs also cost millions of dollars to carry out proper testing. I'm pretty confident Kovera is a scam on some level.
@gym.rat Kind of agree. For instance I have seen interviews of Janoshik and TrustPointe lab founders. But Kovera mystery is being discussed on multiple forums I have witnessed now.
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Its a pretty crazy accusation with very little proof. Someone doesn't want people to know who they are in a high risk industry. Really? Someone used AI on their website and social media. That's every company. Shared space? Has anyone ever visited a small lab? It's the size of a walk in closer. Instant Pepdites website shows lab testing. How does this mean they buddy up to anyone. People own multiple domains. Big, big jump to get to faked COA's. Plenty of people on there saying they have used the lab. One post shows a Glacier product that Kovera failed, and another lab passed. I think before we make business-killing accusations off some guy on X and discord that seems unhinged we should wait for some REAL facts. The only real question mark for me is their website doesn't any accreditions, accolades or certifications that I can see although these would be easy to fake. Cameras in the lab as Glacier said Kovera is going to do and live stream it would be game changing.
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This is a vendor I have used a bunch after a video I watched by @randy. They manufacture in a GMP facility in the US and go out of their way from a customer service perspective. Insinuating that they are in bed with a fake lab to me is too much at this point.
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@gym.rat Kind of agree. For instance I have seen interviews of Janoshik and TrustPointe lab founders. But Kovera mystery is being discussed on multiple forums I have witnessed now.
@pep_researcher Didn't Jano get caught taking a bribe?
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@pep_researcher Didn't Jano get caught taking a bribe?
@Stevepep I'm unaware of this. Can you give some resources of proving the bribe? If it was true, I wouldn't imagine the founder continuing with public facing interviews and all. Ain't it?
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@pep_researcher Didn't Jano get caught taking a bribe?
@Stevepep Unless you are claiming the following as bribe -- Janoshik does issue COAs to a new vendor without testing if the original vendor who did do the test requests a name change on the COA saying the new company is using their batches.
Peter has gone on record to accept this.
This practice has game theoretic problems, but that's not the same thing as taking bribes.
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@Stevepep Unless you are claiming the following as bribe -- Janoshik does issue COAs to a new vendor without testing if the original vendor who did do the test requests a name change on the COA saying the new company is using their batches.
Peter has gone on record to accept this.
This practice has game theoretic problems, but that's not the same thing as taking bribes.
@pep_researcher "I know its a real place with real equipment. And they haven't been around long enough to take bribes like jano did 2 years ago from SSA....so there's that" Randy posted that
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@pep_researcher "I know its a real place with real equipment. And they haven't been around long enough to take bribes like jano did 2 years ago from SSA....so there's that" Randy posted that
@Stevepep Okay. I thought that was just being facetious.
I guess now RUO is moving in the same direction as Eff Dee Aa and big brothers.
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@Stevepep Okay. I thought that was just being facetious.
I guess now RUO is moving in the same direction as Eff Dee Aa and big brothers.
@pep_researcher No idea what that means
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@pep_researcher No idea what that means
@Stevepep Bribes, collusion between stake holders etc... isn't that the same thing as Eff Dee Aa and big brothers?
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The sad part about all of it is there is plenty of money there but greed kills. Glacier seemed to be one of the good guys I hope this all turns out to be a big nothing burger
@Stevepep I don't think Glacier would do that deliberately even if Kovera has some problems.
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The sad part about all of it is there is plenty of money there but greed kills. Glacier seemed to be one of the good guys I hope this all turns out to be a big nothing burger
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@Stevepep Its probably nothing.... but they've been sent a trojan horse. Lets hope they are for real.
@Randy That's my hope I did email Glacier Aminos two days ago, and they never responded. I also responded in one of their ads on Facebook, and they responded along the lines that they hadn't heard about it. Not sure that means anything as I saw one convo where they said Kovera was moving and going to film the new lab and have cameras for live view etc.
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