I have no hate for the guy at all. He reads great Ai scripts and has figured out a way to sell $10 bottles of peptides for $100 so more power to him. He also put up some GH for sale with with a COA that didn't match it. He is great for noobs and guys that never want to research. Personally if I want kits ill go to Nexaph or Heliabiochem

Personally I draw the line at taking too much advice from people with face tattoos.

I like the following:

Dr Kevin Joseph, DO

Dr Alex Tatem, MD

Dr Amin Hedayat (excellent), PHD, MD

Dr Brad Stanfield, MD

Jacob Nachinson (gymbro)

Nick Trigili (gymbro but BB pro)

Hunter Williams

Been messing with a ton of them for about 2.5yrs now. I believe most are largely placebo and people just wanting to have more out of things.

GLP1s, HGH, Tesa/Ipa, and i kiiiiiinda think MOTS-C but not really sure. Im pretty dialed in across the board.

Nothing works better than having your hormones dialed in and your T levels in that sweet spot of 850-1200 and then a good GLP1 and 2ius of GH every night.

Its the trinity. Everything else is just......whatever

I am pretty involved in the lab community and follow most of the lab owners as they discuss lab things. In order of how I trust them based on their knowledge and experience.

Janoshik
Vanguard
Amino Metrics (for GH)
Chromate
BT Labs
Accumark
AFI
MZBIO
Freedom
Kovera
ILS

@Stevepep said:

@mikebricker I have a sneaky suspicion that that article may be turned on its head in the near future. By the way, I have no horse in this race i just want to see labs do their job and test at a high level. If Krause is accurate with their testing I am all for spending 60-70pct less. No Vanguard is interesting in that article and Freedom while we all know about them. Essentially an AI produced article with a ranking based on nothing. The author simply could have used each lab and tested vials from the same batch and compared results. Maybe we will see someone do that in the near future. hmmmm

But again, who are we going to decide is RIGHT if we send the same product from a kit to all the labs? The only way to ensure they get the same product is to literally have them all taking product to test from the same vial. I think even lately we have seen that different vials in the same kit can give varying results.

ResearchCat said:

@dispensarysupport said:

Been messing with a ton of them for about 2.5yrs now. I believe most are largely placebo and people just wanting to have more out of things.

My working hypothesis is that they are not so much placebos as they instigate or catalyze the lifestyle change that result in the desired outcomes.

Most people probably take too many (not unique to peptides), but hopefully settle into a stack like yours.

A lot of the reading I’ve done supports the ‘fix your sleep and your diet and 99% of your problems go away’ hypothesis. But there is still a place for peps, and used correctly, they’re amazing.

I could not agree more with pretty much all of that. Cheers

@stevensanto said:

@dispensarysupport I don’t know who Rick on telegram is ot why he is an authority from on the pen but it’s not a substitute for lab testing it’s to confirm the untested vials in a pack contain an actual peptide and aren’t a mixed in zero peptide. What it does is stated in the article posts and my post. If you think it’s a waste of time that’s fine don’t buy it. For me it’s an added layer of safety

Rick is an Ai Peptide authority. But regardless, i dont know that ive ever had a kit where they had some vials with peps and some without.

@mitchmiller said:

@dispensarysupport I saw thats tudz was using vanguard but didn’t know much about them. What places them high up on your list?

Technical abilities and knowledge. Dustin probably answers more technical questions than most people and often answers questions for other lab owners. Peter Magic does as well and the guy from Amino Metrics has been making commercial GH Peptides for labs for over 20yrs in the US. He understands what a correctly folded monomer should look like. The others are also there and involved and I like them as well. They all troubleshoot and discuss with probably Jano (Peter) being the least active because of the time difference.

Convipens and V1's. Savvio is nice as well. I have 2 of those.

@BeeKind said:

LOL @ ILS being a measuring stick for anything. They are an absolute mess of a lab and have all of their employees working virtual. Absolute worst customer service and testing turn time of any lab in the field. Bottom of any list is the only place they should be.

@Stevepep said:

@dispensarysupport isn’t heliobiochem the company that had the COA test with the zero peptide? I may be confused but I thought someone posted the COA. Also I don’t see any COA’s on their website

No. They don't have COAs on their site they ship each product that ive ever gotten with the COA. Almost every order I have gotten from them has been Uther or Lobster product. All top shelf in my experience and ive now placed 4 orders. YMMV.

If you have proof they shipped something with Zero peps you should include that here. I have never heard a single negative about them.

mitchmiller said:

@dispensarysupport I saw thats tudz was using vanguard but didn’t know much about them. What places them high up on your list?

I like Dustin and probably watch him field a dozen or more technical questions weekly by other lab people and he is always very dialed in.