@ogsteve From what I understand the glucagon increases the metabolism which in turn increases the heart rate. Since I added it ON TOP OF tirz, I wasn't 100% sure if it was the increase in glp1 or addition of glucagon so I didn't take a second dose. When I read about the ghetto reta, I went with survodutide due to less glucagon activity and no glp1.

@randy is the expert here. I read what he is doing because he's already done a lot of trials and if I'm reading it, he's not dead. I decide what to do from there and change things to what works for me.

I'm on lots of forums and read the studies, but I like real experiences. I was in an audience with the Dalai Lama in 2005 someone asked if he thinks Buddhism is the only true religion. He said "Religion is like medicine. One kind isn't good for everyone. The cholesterol medicine that's good for me, may kill you." So try it, if it works, awesome. If you feel weird, stop. Ultimately, do the research, do what works for you.

I started a few weeks ago.
Currently 15mg tirz (almost 2 years now titrated from 2.5mg)
5mg survo (4months)
700mcg elora

Sw 235. Cw 140. Gw 135
Almost there!

I haven't noticed any side effects but I did drop some fat much quicker than I have been.

I tried reta but it had my heart rate up so I couldn't sleep. When I read about Randy's ghetto reta I did that.

I'm also doing tesa/ipa and 5-Amino-1mq m-f.

@ed1 It's just stacking tirz with survo or maz instead of the actual reta.
You can choose which you would rather target if you've had negative sides with reta or whatever your reason is.

This is what helped me decide months ago when I started. I chose survo because I wanted to increase the glp1 but not gip. I had issues with elevated heart rate so while I wanted the glucagon activity, I did not want as much as I got with reta. Adding survodutide was the perfect solution for me.

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JtCjEfF I started with 500mcg to make sure I didn't die. 700mcg is just where I am this week. I just looked at my log, I was at 500mcg for 4 doses, 700mcg for 3. I'll probably jump to 1mg next week.

I take my tirz on Wednesday, then survo and elora on Sunday.

I started tirz on Dec 3,2024. It would be awesome to hit 100lbs in the next 2 months.

The only real "side effect" I've noticed is when I'm eating I will just have no desire for another bite. Not queasiness, but complete disinterest. Almost like I don't like the taste of what I'm eating all of a sudden. It's weird.

@naturesfruit I don't use reta because it made my heart rate jump so I couldn't sleep. I only took one 2mg dose. I've heard that that goes away, but I already have difficulty sleeping. I was already pretty leery of taking it with tirz because I was worried about over doing the glp1 portion, so honestly, I was probably looking for a reason to not like it.

I didn't want to get off of tirz because it's been so life changing. I'm a very loyal girl. I added survo to get the glucagon receptor benefit without the increase of glp1, but also a little boost of gip.

I gave the remaining reta vial to my bestie and he loves it, but he was never on tirz. He only had about 30lbs to lose, so it made more sense for him.

Edit to correct myself... Added survo so as not to increase gip, but get a small boost of glp1 and glucagon.