Protocol Opinions Needed - Bio Regulators
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@bfuller here is for your reference https://peptideproduct.eu/upload/ebook/brochure_clinical_researches_citomaxes_citogens_english.pdf
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@bfuller and how’s it going? Have you noticed anything? I’m only about 10 days into 500mcg/day. I’m certainly open to a bigger dose on the next vial tho.
@ogsteve I'm only on day 2, I'll keep you posted on subjective markers as I notince them , I will be doing another hormonal draw in a couple weeks after I'm done to see if there is any change in my blood markers.
I'm going to go with the 1 mg to save 20 needles.
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Hello my fellow Rodentia Muridae Rattus Norvegicus
I'm ready to regenerate my rats mid section! Any ideas for a protocol are welcome for my next stack:
Prostomax, Testagen, Vesilute and Vesugen.
I am considering:
10 day @ 2mg each
15 day @ 1.5mg each
20 day run @1mg eachI'm open to feedback or recomendations

@bfuller Hi bfuller, not sure if you have done this, but compare the ingredients of those peptides to each other. Some are the same. So you might be duplicating your purchases
prostamax: Lys-Glu-Asp-Pro (KEDP)
testagen: Lys-Glu-Asp-Gly (KEDG)
vesugen: Lys-Glu-AspI buy prostamax because i get vesugen free with it
and my rat takes 3ml a day -
@bfuller Hi bfuller, not sure if you have done this, but compare the ingredients of those peptides to each other. Some are the same. So you might be duplicating your purchases
prostamax: Lys-Glu-Asp-Pro (KEDP)
testagen: Lys-Glu-Asp-Gly (KEDG)
vesugen: Lys-Glu-AspI buy prostamax because i get vesugen free with it
and my rat takes 3ml a day@judge Then it seems like you are taking Vesugen-Pro

But, seriously, it doesn't work this way. The half-life of these molecules is short, and you can't control its degradation in a way that Lys-Glu-Asp will appear in blood in a large enough concentration to have an effect.
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@bfuller Hi bfuller, not sure if you have done this, but compare the ingredients of those peptides to each other. Some are the same. So you might be duplicating your purchases
prostamax: Lys-Glu-Asp-Pro (KEDP)
testagen: Lys-Glu-Asp-Gly (KEDG)
vesugen: Lys-Glu-AspI buy prostamax because i get vesugen free with it
and my rat takes 3ml a day -
After reading many protocols I am going to go with Jay Campbells recomended effective real world (his words not mine) protocols. I was able to find his protocols in his blog. And since this is his product line, if I use his recomendations and it doesn't work he can't blame the researcher for not following an effective protocol (if I decide to review it)
Vesilute – 2.5mg EOD – 16 days = 10 mg/week
Testagen – 2mg daily - 10 days
Vesugen – 1mg daily - 20 days
Prostamax – 500mcg daily - 40daysBaslines for PSA and testosterone are complete, I start tomorrow!
Stay Tuned.
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Yeah, can we get an update please?
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Yeah, can we get an update please?
@Shaqdiesel @rmchrist Sorry folks I haven't logged in for a bit, work has been busy no time to play.
So overall the objective markers oddly enouigh went in the opposite direction than expected. I would have expected increase in test and decrease in PSA.
ie)
- PSA was 0.9 in March and 2weeks post cycle 1.1 and then 6 week later 1.2
- Total Testosterone (Am fasted) was lower than my last labs too by 2.2 nmol and free testosterone was dowm 70 pmol/L
Subjectivly my night time urination went down to once a night when I was running the cycle from mostly 2 times a night and ocasional 3 times, but then it went back to twice a night shortly after for a couple weeks and now back to once a night which is an improvment for sure I am ok with.
I feel like this wasn't enough of a cycle now that i've looked into bioregulators though. The Khavinson regime given directlry to Dean Henry from Khavinson himself is below. I added a link on the Bioregulator Podcast, really good watch.
30 days on 20 days of
10 days on 20 days off
10 days on then 6 months off before the next cycle.
The Next Generation of Peptides is Here (Longevity, Healing, Gene Optimisation) | Dean Henry -
@Shaqdiesel @rmchrist Sorry folks I haven't logged in for a bit, work has been busy no time to play.
So overall the objective markers oddly enouigh went in the opposite direction than expected. I would have expected increase in test and decrease in PSA.
ie)
- PSA was 0.9 in March and 2weeks post cycle 1.1 and then 6 week later 1.2
- Total Testosterone (Am fasted) was lower than my last labs too by 2.2 nmol and free testosterone was dowm 70 pmol/L
Subjectivly my night time urination went down to once a night when I was running the cycle from mostly 2 times a night and ocasional 3 times, but then it went back to twice a night shortly after for a couple weeks and now back to once a night which is an improvment for sure I am ok with.
I feel like this wasn't enough of a cycle now that i've looked into bioregulators though. The Khavinson regime given directlry to Dean Henry from Khavinson himself is below. I added a link on the Bioregulator Podcast, really good watch.
30 days on 20 days of
10 days on 20 days off
10 days on then 6 months off before the next cycle.
The Next Generation of Peptides is Here (Longevity, Healing, Gene Optimisation) | Dean Henry -
@Stan-Douglas I would say most likely they are all supposed to be run like this in a pulsing fashion over three months to turn the gene expression back on and allow your body to do its own regeneration. Thats what I took away from Dean Henry’s comments.
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@Stan-Douglas - granted he is talking about the cytomax versions of the oral bioregulators though. For injectible Pinealon and Epitalon Dean mentions he does those for 20 days every 6 months, which sounded like that was more of a maintenance cycle vs initially treating acute aging symptoms.
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