Amazon just made BAC water illegal
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@danny2 If I were you, might not be a bad idea to run KPV or similar as a just in case. It's supposed to be a direct antimicrobial agent.
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@Stevepep I've been a big Glacier proponent and have a few large orders from there, BUT....they are coming under scrutiny now because they are heavily tied to use of Kovera Labs, who are certainly looking like a pure scam as the days go on. So there might be some buddying up between vendors and testers for fabricated COAs. I'm not saying Glacier is lying, but there is reason to be skeptical thats for sure.
Upon my own research, Kovera Labs looks fake AF.
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@gym.rat luckily I'm looking at the KPV vials right now, deciding if I want to put my Amazon water in there or not... Flipping a coin 99 times to decide
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@Stevepep I think you are missing the point. Kovera Labs is fake, at least that is where all the evidence is pointing.
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@gym.rat ~~so many peptide companies use them.what is the evidence you speak of. It’s not just glacier this would be nuts. ION has used them and you are recommending them.
Yes, Ion has used them, but based on the products I buy they are not using them very often. Glacier on the other hand is all over Kovera. PeptideSupplyCo is a very active company on X and I've talked to the owner. Dude seems legit and their COAs are mostly Freedom Diags. As Randy says, vendors are good until they are not. So I buy from about 4-ish different places.
Main Concerns
Shared workspace / virtual address: Their listed location (Deerfield/Buffalo Grove, IL area, e.g., 570 Lake Cook Rd Suite 300 PMB) points to a coworking space or mailbox service rather than a proper equipped analytical lab. This is a common setup for low-overhead operations but raises doubts about having full HPLC, LC-MS, endotoxin, sterility, and heavy metals capabilities in-house.
"David Cohen" (Quality Director): The LinkedIn profile tied to them has been called out as potentially fake or AI-generated. No strong independent verification of credentials or a real lab team.
Ties to vendors: Reverse DNS and other checks by skeptics suggest the domain is linked to some peptide-selling sites. This fuels suspicions it's more of a "friendly" testing mill for vendors wanting quick, high-purity-looking COAs rather than a fully independent lab. Some note that vendors switching to them suddenly get suspiciously high results.
New and thin presence: Very young website, limited public info on staff/equipment/accreditation, and not much history. Scamadviser gives it a fair-but-not-great score mainly due to the newness. -
Glow Aminos has their Bac tested and puts COA in description. I have not ordered from them but perhaps someone who has will come along and advise like/dislike.
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Do Glow Aminos show the ph level of their bac. That seems to be the biggest problem. Hospira has the best ph it seems and solves many of the problems (except for the mots I just got from Chimera).
Do Glow Aminos show the ph level of their bac. That seems to be the biggest problem. Hospira has the best ph it seems and solves many of the problems (except for the mots I just got from Chimera).
THIS! EZ carries or carried their own BAC. But no pH on the COA.
The good thing that's coming out of explosion of RUO popularity and tons of influencers including medical docs covering peps is, that all such vendors who got away with hand wavy quality and questionable testing coverage have to either clean up their act or be irrelevant, with researchers being more aware and demanding.
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Try Parrox. Very good.
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Try Parrox. Very good.
parrox did fail based on pH in the Peptide crafters testing
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