HGH 191AA
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@Randy
When on HGH or Tesa, what is a target igf level for max effectiveness? I know it is somewhat age dependent, but what level would be optimal for say some 40 and then someone 50?@Randy
When on HGH or Tesa, what is a target igf level for max effectiveness? I know it is somewhat age dependent, but what level would be optimal for say some 40 and then someone 50?Or someone 62 like myself? Would it be worth considering?
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@Randy
When on HGH or Tesa, what is a target igf level for max effectiveness? I know it is somewhat age dependent, but what level would be optimal for say some 40 and then someone 50?@Randy
When on HGH or Tesa, what is a target igf level for max effectiveness? I know it is somewhat age dependent, but what level would be optimal for say some 40 and then someone 50?Conservative sweet spot to maintain anti-aging while also balancing side effect concerns/cancer would be 180 - 220. At that range you're going to get all the benefits including improved sleep quality, tissue repair, healing, immune system function, while also minimizing risks. This range is applicable for all adults really. It would be a little in the low end for a growing adolescent, but for a full grown adult of all ages this is the level you're looking for.
If you're above that naturally good for you, I wouldn't worry about it unless it's way beyond the top range and you're experiencing side effects.
You're not going to see drastic changes in muscle mass/fat loss at that level, you're going to need to do the work to get that, but you're also going to put the side effect/cancer risk at that level to extremely minimal.
The real drastic changes you see with people on GH in terms of size come with levels in the 400 - 500 range. Personally I would not be comfortable long term pushing levels that high, the risk/reward ratio IMO is just not worth it.
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@PeptidePete hgh is a horribly misunderstood compound and therapeutic doses have changed my life. I appreciate you checking. Good with me. Lets just leave tren, var and equipoise out of the convo.
What dosage do you take? I had it in the past, 2iu made my hands go numb. I ended up giving all my kits away. My friends that got them were happy…
@Commander
I think I am finally getting HGH and dosing figured out a little. I split my dose AM and PM with a dosage of 1IU or a little over per day. What I am experiencing, is what I have been after for the past 2 years when I started the peptide journey. My Drive and overall physical wellbeing are back, and it is literally like rolling the clock back about 20 years.
The various peptides I cycle have been very helpful, but I think I underestimated the importance of getting the hormones optimized. About 4 months ago I started TRT. My TRT levels were high (930 and 1032 on the tests I took) but my doctor finally let me try it anyway. That helped quite a bit, but when I added the HGH it all clicked finally. I think there is a strong possibility that the HGH may be biggest help. I appreciate everyone's posts about this. Good Stuff -
@iMemphis18 SS31 kits I purchased from there were solid. Part of a group test, so all I can say is they were good results.
@flyhigh ss31 from where? Thanks in advance i just got some from ERP but after some research about the last batch (hopefully not my current batch) I need another solid choice.
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@randy The QSC HGH that is
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@Randy is this what they currently have?
@thanks_enjoi no. that sold out. they have a new batch...if you didnt move on it immediately you may not get it.
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@Commander
I think I am finally getting HGH and dosing figured out a little. I split my dose AM and PM with a dosage of 1IU or a little over per day. What I am experiencing, is what I have been after for the past 2 years when I started the peptide journey. My Drive and overall physical wellbeing are back, and it is literally like rolling the clock back about 20 years.
The various peptides I cycle have been very helpful, but I think I underestimated the importance of getting the hormones optimized. About 4 months ago I started TRT. My TRT levels were high (930 and 1032 on the tests I took) but my doctor finally let me try it anyway. That helped quite a bit, but when I added the HGH it all clicked finally. I think there is a strong possibility that the HGH may be biggest help. I appreciate everyone's posts about this. Good Stuff@Commander
I think I am finally getting HGH and dosing figured out a little. I split my dose AM and PM with a dosage of 1IU or a little over per day. What I am experiencing, is what I have been after for the past 2 years when I started the peptide journey. My Drive and overall physical wellbeing are back, and it is literally like rolling the clock back about 20 years.
The various peptides I cycle have been very helpful, but I think I underestimated the importance of getting the hormones optimized. About 4 months ago I started TRT. My TRT levels were high (930 and 1032 on the tests I took) but my doctor finally let me try it anyway. That helped quite a bit, but when I added the HGH it all clicked finally. I think there is a strong possibility that the HGH may be biggest help. I appreciate everyone's posts about this. Good StuffThanks for posting. Did you try any GH peptides prior to making the jump to HGH?
You might also consider perhaps lowering your TRT dose now that you're GH levels are boosted. Sweet spot for TRT is 600 - 900. Something to think about.
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@Commander
I think I am finally getting HGH and dosing figured out a little. I split my dose AM and PM with a dosage of 1IU or a little over per day. What I am experiencing, is what I have been after for the past 2 years when I started the peptide journey. My Drive and overall physical wellbeing are back, and it is literally like rolling the clock back about 20 years.
The various peptides I cycle have been very helpful, but I think I underestimated the importance of getting the hormones optimized. About 4 months ago I started TRT. My TRT levels were high (930 and 1032 on the tests I took) but my doctor finally let me try it anyway. That helped quite a bit, but when I added the HGH it all clicked finally. I think there is a strong possibility that the HGH may be biggest help. I appreciate everyone's posts about this. Good StuffThanks for posting. Did you try any GH peptides prior to making the jump to HGH?
You might also consider perhaps lowering your TRT dose now that you're GH levels are boosted. Sweet spot for TRT is 600 - 900. Something to think about.
@Neil-McCauley
I was thinking the same thing. My levels were way above the 600-900 range before I started. While initially it felt helpful, I think the HGH hits way harder, especially when combined with the IPA/TESA combo. I am able to use small doses of all 3 twice daily and the results are immediate and they are out of my system quickly. The TRT is much more difficult to work with because it works so slowly. I feel like the drive and workout capacity/recovery that I was seeking with TRT is being achieved HGH.
To answer your question, I have tried most all of the GH related peptides and while many things help, HGH seems to be in a different league. I cycle all the usual things as well SS31 Mots c Pinealon , epithalin etc. and I am always doing some kind of BCP stack to help with inflammation and recovery.
I think a lot of people may get better benefits from HGH than TRT providing your levels are not too low.
I always forget to mention that I have been taking peptides for 48 years (T1D LOL)
The last couple of years I have been testing all kinds of things to help repair the damage that occurs with being diabetic. It has been a very interesting. Most things are helpful but there are a few that don't seem to do anything.
I really wish I could get DSIP to work for me, good sleep is huge.
When you take insulin, it adds an extra dimension to the protocol, but it's worth it.
I am rambling here, are you contemplating HGH? -
@Randy
When on HGH or Tesa, what is a target igf level for max effectiveness? I know it is somewhat age dependent, but what level would be optimal for say some 40 and then someone 50?Conservative sweet spot to maintain anti-aging while also balancing side effect concerns/cancer would be 180 - 220. At that range you're going to get all the benefits including improved sleep quality, tissue repair, healing, immune system function, while also minimizing risks. This range is applicable for all adults really. It would be a little in the low end for a growing adolescent, but for a full grown adult of all ages this is the level you're looking for.
If you're above that naturally good for you, I wouldn't worry about it unless it's way beyond the top range and you're experiencing side effects.
You're not going to see drastic changes in muscle mass/fat loss at that level, you're going to need to do the work to get that, but you're also going to put the side effect/cancer risk at that level to extremely minimal.
The real drastic changes you see with people on GH in terms of size come with levels in the 400 - 500 range. Personally I would not be comfortable long term pushing levels that high, the risk/reward ratio IMO is just not worth it.
@Randy
When on HGH or Tesa, what is a target igf level for max effectiveness? I know it is somewhat age dependent, but what level would be optimal for say some 40 and then someone 50?Conservative sweet spot to maintain anti-aging while also balancing side effect concerns/cancer would be 180 - 220. At that range you're going to get all the benefits including improved sleep quality, tissue repair, healing, immune system function, while also minimizing risks. This range is applicable for all adults really. It would be a little in the low end for a growing adolescent, but for a full grown adult of all ages this is the level you're looking for.
If you're above that naturally good for you, I wouldn't worry about it unless it's way beyond the top range and you're experiencing side effects.
You're not going to see drastic changes in muscle mass/fat loss at that level, you're going to need to do the work to get that, but you're also going to put the side effect/cancer risk at that level to extremely minimal.
The real drastic changes you see with people on GH in terms of size come with levels in the 400 - 500 range. Personally I would not be comfortable long term pushing levels that high, the risk/reward ratio IMO is just not worth it.
@commander and @randy
I’m a 60 yo female (I feel like I’m 40, for real) Peptides & BHRT are AWESOME! I was considering trying 1-2 iu of HGH (having read about all the benefits) but then I measured my igf-1 and it was 236. So, now I’m second-guessing myself and thinking that I probably shouldn’t with it that high.
️ What would you do if that was your test result? I DID try a vial of CJC/ipa, but that was like 18 months ago so I don’t think it’s affecting me now. I’m intrigued by the fact that you said even taking HGH didn’t raise your levels much. 
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@Neil-McCauley
I was thinking the same thing. My levels were way above the 600-900 range before I started. While initially it felt helpful, I think the HGH hits way harder, especially when combined with the IPA/TESA combo. I am able to use small doses of all 3 twice daily and the results are immediate and they are out of my system quickly. The TRT is much more difficult to work with because it works so slowly. I feel like the drive and workout capacity/recovery that I was seeking with TRT is being achieved HGH.
To answer your question, I have tried most all of the GH related peptides and while many things help, HGH seems to be in a different league. I cycle all the usual things as well SS31 Mots c Pinealon , epithalin etc. and I am always doing some kind of BCP stack to help with inflammation and recovery.
I think a lot of people may get better benefits from HGH than TRT providing your levels are not too low.
I always forget to mention that I have been taking peptides for 48 years (T1D LOL)
The last couple of years I have been testing all kinds of things to help repair the damage that occurs with being diabetic. It has been a very interesting. Most things are helpful but there are a few that don't seem to do anything.
I really wish I could get DSIP to work for me, good sleep is huge.
When you take insulin, it adds an extra dimension to the protocol, but it's worth it.
I am rambling here, are you contemplating HGH?I am rambling here, are you contemplating HGH?
I am always experimenting with things. I have a ton of experience with GHRH/GHRP analogs. Never actually ran pure HGH.
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@Randy
When on HGH or Tesa, what is a target igf level for max effectiveness? I know it is somewhat age dependent, but what level would be optimal for say some 40 and then someone 50?Conservative sweet spot to maintain anti-aging while also balancing side effect concerns/cancer would be 180 - 220. At that range you're going to get all the benefits including improved sleep quality, tissue repair, healing, immune system function, while also minimizing risks. This range is applicable for all adults really. It would be a little in the low end for a growing adolescent, but for a full grown adult of all ages this is the level you're looking for.
If you're above that naturally good for you, I wouldn't worry about it unless it's way beyond the top range and you're experiencing side effects.
You're not going to see drastic changes in muscle mass/fat loss at that level, you're going to need to do the work to get that, but you're also going to put the side effect/cancer risk at that level to extremely minimal.
The real drastic changes you see with people on GH in terms of size come with levels in the 400 - 500 range. Personally I would not be comfortable long term pushing levels that high, the risk/reward ratio IMO is just not worth it.
@commander and @randy
I’m a 60 yo female (I feel like I’m 40, for real) Peptides & BHRT are AWESOME! I was considering trying 1-2 iu of HGH (having read about all the benefits) but then I measured my igf-1 and it was 236. So, now I’m second-guessing myself and thinking that I probably shouldn’t with it that high.️ What would you do if that was your test result? I DID try a vial of CJC/ipa, but that was like 18 months ago so I don’t think it’s affecting me now. I’m intrigued by the fact that you said even taking HGH didn’t raise your levels much.
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I have to be careful with the dosages of HGH and hormone related peptides as they can counter act with insulin and will decrease insulin sensitivity. Keeping insulin doses to a minimum is not a recommended strategy for most diabetics. I stay on a healthy lo carb diet and am only require 20 total units of insulin daily. This is a very low dose, but it's necessary to have tight controls if I want to experiment with peptides and avoid interactions. I work with an endocrinologist and monitor blood work often. I do experiment with many things, but not recklessly. The start low and titrate up as indicated seems like a good way to go. Finding a sweet spot has taken me a long time, I hope I stay in the zone for a while.
But I think the short story is, if you want to try HGH and need it, it's worth it. If you recover quickly and feel good and have energy, maybe you don't need it. It seems like with peptides and such, if you don't need them, they won't do much.
I am 68 and know that age takes a toll, but these peptides can replace a lot of our functions that decline with age injury, disease or whatever. A year ago, I felt pretty beat up, and now it gets better every day. You still have to work at it but having the ability to work out and recover is huge. I'm a huge fan of rats and their behaviors' LOL -
Just did my second trt shot yesterday. First IM. Today my thigh feels like I did a lot of squats yesterday. That's surprising. I have hgh on order from a group buy. Where is a good resource that explains all the things I need to know? I'm also taking. .25mg anastrozol every other day according to doctor.
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Do any of the vendors sell HGH 191AA? I do not see it listed on any of the pricing indexes
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@Abepeppers747
Peak Labs seems to get good if not great reviews, and I have never seen purity at 99.9% on HGH before. It's usually 97 or so. Does anyone have any thoughts or experience with them? -
@Abepeppers747
Peak Labs seems to get good if not great reviews, and I have never seen purity at 99.9% on HGH before. It's usually 97 or so. Does anyone have any thoughts or experience with them?@CapmanCrunch all their batches of all sizes are 99.9% purity from BioViridian Lab. Not suspicious?
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Just did my second trt shot yesterday. First IM. Today my thigh feels like I did a lot of squats yesterday. That's surprising. I have hgh on order from a group buy. Where is a good resource that explains all the things I need to know? I'm also taking. .25mg anastrozol every other day according to doctor.
@Hammertime65
Did you notice any effects from the TRT after injections? a little boost or uplifting feeling.
What dose are you on?
You get used to the IM injections after a few. I use the 23 gauge 1 " 3ml syringes usually, but some people like the U100 1/2" in the shoulder. I have trouble getting shorter needles into muscle.
I'm interested to see if TRT or HGH has the better impact for you. -
@CapmanCrunch all their batches of all sizes are 99.9% purity from BioViridian Lab. Not suspicious?
@vpeptides
Exactly!!!
I have never seen HGH much above 97 -
@CMEffie17
I have to be careful with the dosages of HGH and hormone related peptides as they can counter act with insulin and will decrease insulin sensitivity. Keeping insulin doses to a minimum is not a recommended strategy for most diabetics. I stay on a healthy lo carb diet and am only require 20 total units of insulin daily. This is a very low dose, but it's necessary to have tight controls if I want to experiment with peptides and avoid interactions. I work with an endocrinologist and monitor blood work often. I do experiment with many things, but not recklessly. The start low and titrate up as indicated seems like a good way to go. Finding a sweet spot has taken me a long time, I hope I stay in the zone for a while.
But I think the short story is, if you want to try HGH and need it, it's worth it. If you recover quickly and feel good and have energy, maybe you don't need it. It seems like with peptides and such, if you don't need them, they won't do much.
I am 68 and know that age takes a toll, but these peptides can replace a lot of our functions that decline with age injury, disease or whatever. A year ago, I felt pretty beat up, and now it gets better every day. You still have to work at it but having the ability to work out and recover is huge. I'm a huge fan of rats and their behaviors' LOL@CapmanCrunch Thanks for writing about your experience, I appreciate it. I had a diabetic cat and was trying to tightly regulate him, but it was very difficult even on basically a 100% protein diet. So I know it can be very difficult. I’m really glad that peptides have helped you feel much better, which has been my experience as well. I think I’m going to hold off until I read a lot more about other people’s experiences with HGH … I’d love to just get all the benefits, but I don’t want to explore it yet without knowing all the possible downsides. Thanks again!
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@CapmanCrunch Thanks for writing about your experience, I appreciate it. I had a diabetic cat and was trying to tightly regulate him, but it was very difficult even on basically a 100% protein diet. So I know it can be very difficult. I’m really glad that peptides have helped you feel much better, which has been my experience as well. I think I’m going to hold off until I read a lot more about other people’s experiences with HGH … I’d love to just get all the benefits, but I don’t want to explore it yet without knowing all the possible downsides. Thanks again!
@CMEffie17
I started with IPA/TESA and the other GH peptides and did various combos like that until I stumbled onto HGH a few months ago. I think it make sense to go slow and keep trying until you find what works for you. I still use other GH Peps stacked with the HGH to help keep my dose down. I think you're on the right track.
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