So far reta seems to work so incredibly well I can't imagine going above 1mg at the moment. I'm down for some science though. I may try survo/tirz. I believe this combo is what you affectionally call 'fat juice', eh @randy ?

This seems cool. Have you tried this, @myb ?

I'm also seeing NTX has the 7.5mg pills but boy it's definitely not inexpensive. I assume this is a daily oral?

I'm very interested in dihexa from a neuroprotective standpoint. Seems you can get in lyophilized powder for subq/intranasal injection or in pill form?

One of my gray suppliers doesn't have it on 'her' sheet. I would view this as a long term protective play from using exogenous testosterone and overall aging.

I suppose it can. The data from the trials shows huge reductions of apnea but the numbers are from the culmination of the 80 week study from what I'm seeing. The weight loss is where the increased sleep is coming from...I'd almost say across the board. Sure there might be a few N=1 scenarios here and there but reta isn't a sleep drug.

Losing 50 pounds is definitely the reason you're sleeping better...so in a roundabout way the reta absolutely is helping you sleep.

@Randy said:

@hunt_ak tesa aod and survo playing nice?

There's a few running tesa but nobody in our 'sphere' has dabbled in AOD/Survo....yet....its a reta gang over here so far

@BoxerLover Third positive vote for ebac. From a few different GB's where they send in for testing. I've bought 200 bottles and distributed to folks so far. All recon/injections seem to be going smoothly for the circle of degenerates we are running with

'You just saw me take the cap off and pull the air...never do that'. I can't quite tell what you say afterward regarding this. Leave the cap on when you pull air to push into the vials?

@dispensarysupport said:

Been messing with a ton of them for about 2.5yrs now. I believe most are largely placebo and people just wanting to have more out of things.

GLP1s, HGH, Tesa/Ipa, and i kiiiiiinda think MOTS-C but not really sure. Im pretty dialed in across the board.

Nothing works better than having your hormones dialed in and your T levels in that sweet spot of 850-1200 and then a good GLP1 and 2ius of GH every night.

Its the trinity. Everything else is just......whatever

While I am starting to agree with this sentiment, I'm still trying and testing a bunch of stuff.

GLP's, GH, GHRH analogs (redundant if taking GH), KLOW, and MT1/MT2 have all been serious hitters from a outcome standpoint. MOTS-C is going to be a staple for me moving forward for now. Hey, if its banned by WADA, then it's probably worthwhile

@denti Point me to that post?

Cag+Tirz+Survo = The Pizza Puncher

@Falc said:

@EXTROPIAN I use 250iu HCG EOD. For me it is a must with my TRT (and Proviron).

Is this going to be a long-term protocol for you (years) regarding running HCG?

@denti said:

@Jake_PepTron said:

Was looking into this or enclomaphine as an alternative to Test for low-T. Been reading more about it; watchin videos & lookin over bloodwork… not sure if anyone has any experience with HCG as a monotherapy.

I started enclomiphene last week. 12.5mg 3x a week and I’m feeling most of the side effects like hot flashes, headaches, and irritability. I think it’s supposed to wear off in a couple weeks. I’m going to stay on this cycle for 12 weeks then get my T levels tested again

Sourcing this through doc or elsewhere? Most of what I've seen on the gray market is not actual Enclo but clomid...which I'm not interested in.

I wonder if Reta+Eloralintide (Loretta) would have the same 1+1=3 effect as Reta+Cag in this example?

@snake-pepskin are you past HRT and into....gear levels of test? If so, I'm very curious to hear your experience, numbers, etc?

@bismarcatoledo said:

Best route is TRT and HGH for muscle growth , but at the moment HGH is hard to find and if you do it’s expensive .

I'm finding it everywhere at really attractive prices. Unless you're talking about US pharma GH, which is and always has been very very expensive

CJC/Ipa: 200-250mcg each daily fasted before bed. CJC alone I was running 300mcg
Klow: 4mg total (2.5/.5/.5/.5)
5AM-1MQ: Dosing protocols all over the place from 200mcg all the way to 50mg. You may have to just run some and test/titrate up personally. Most of what I see anecdotally is on the higher end

Thanks for the feedback, @researchcat and @stevepep!

@ursus said:

Hgh will replace your own stuff and shut down. So gotta keep taking it....If you decide to get off it you’ll be shut down and miserable until it recovers and maybe it doesn’t go back to the original baseline.

This isn't like axing your HPG axis by taking Test. If you had a healthy pituitary before, 'coming off' will usually be smooth and your natural endogenous amounts will kick back in quickly from what I'm reading and hearing.