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@gym.rat Interestingly what I have realized over the years is there is no such thing as capitalists vs communists. It's all oligarchs and their politician and administrative friends in the govt. They just create this hallucination of different political ideologies to keep people fighting among each other over ideologies while they enrich their bank accounts.

@Randy I see Randy has an extra hand too... effect of peptide research. LOL

@JtCjEfF said:

Ashley Froese

Bingo. She's really good at keeping things crisp and clear without rambling on or fluff. So does Dr Alex Tatem.

@user_12968 said:

Maybe don't broadcast publicly, blind tests.

It WAS a blind test. @randy didn't post the vial type and all details on X.com or FB on his public account or made a YT video. It was in thread here on this private community.

And your response is "it was fun?" Really? As a NEWLY establishing pep testing lab looking to generate more business, you know you have done a lot of shooting in own foot by all this drama, and you are continuing it unfortunately which isn't helping but hurting more.

But anyway, I for once, am going to stay away from anyone who's using Kovera for testing as I have huge doubts about the professionalism and honesty required in this space. And I'm concluding here, won't be replying further.

@Newenough That's insane, but scroll Reddit or Facebook forums and see the questions newbies ask after already buying vials, and you can see that regulations are always in reaction to society's lowest common idiotic denominator.

Some people should just stick to the slow and guided channels as their brains cannot be trusted with 'sovereign' research.

Not denying big pharma's hand in it, but idiots make a strong case too.

@jackiee said:

pretty much stopped going to any of the Skool groups after I found this site

Bingo! Same here. I knew about Peptide Critic for a long time due to Jeff's YouTube videos but it took me a while to find that there's a much vibrant community.

Once I started reading here, I started finding those Skool groups like bunch of amateurs.

I said this before, this community is like a fight club discuss testing labs, vendors, greys critically, post about new vendor finds, regardless of vendors with affiliate codes for Jeff. This is a forum for RUO veterans and adults.

Those Skool groups are like bunch of lame rom-coms of forum admins and their vendors, and nowadays a lot of AI generated post dumps.

@WesEqualshXc If you consider the testing coverage then I think no one. Nexaph testing is very basic. Crush does full spectrum.

@martinmarin said:

Dr Trevor Backmeyer

Please no! Surprised that you can stand his videos. That man just rambles on and rants. I quit watching him immediately.

My favs:
Dr Ashley Froese
Dr Quinn Stillson
Dr Alex Tatem
Dr Gabriel Alizaidy (more on Insta than YouTube)

Random comment, but this is the only forum I've seen testing labs and vendors put under microscope and discussed critically, which is extremely important for RUO research. Most other forum admins are busy flooding forums with their affiliate vendors' sales or self-promotion.

Thank you @randy!

The ironical part is the market has grown SO MUCH that it will take years if not decades for them to get to everyone.

Someone said before on this forum — they started it by moving APIs sourcing overseas, and now they are mad that others started getting from there bypassing L company bank accounts.

@Eleanor said:

This could also play into pharma competition, as Survodutide v. Retatrutide.

It stinks of conspiracy. Reta on trials has shown to be hepatoprotective. People on trials reversed 80-90% of their fatty/scarred livers.

They are desperate and frustrated that their cat got out of the bag and FDA isn't bending easily to their biologic demands. Crony capitalism peaked here.

I also suspect now that they are delaying Reta submission for approval to wait out this administration and get the new pharma friendly one.

@Juan-Doe I think people are panic buying unnecessarily and that's promoting these vendors to jack up prices. If you already have enough to go for 6-9 months, just sit tight. Supply will normalize in that time.

Give Pfizer time to crank up their production and get the new vials out.

Dr. Ashley Froese wasn't happy with the FDA. Not surprised. Who here is?

https://youtu.be/cfEDC8pTXt4?is=SOL2bfrRj4M7gGR5

@Stevepep said:

@ResearchCat the endotoxin testing is an interesting topic. According to the Jano guy with purity levels well over 90 pct it’s impossible for the toxins to be high enough not to pass so it’s unnecessary testing.

This is not true. Peter said endotoxin failures are rare, but not zero. He gave percentage failures in an interview. Endotoxins and purity have no correlation. A 99% pure product can still have high enough endotoxins.

The only nuance is endotoxin effect depends on research subject's weight and per dose endotoxin exposure. There's some limit you can find online.

Recently when JEEP Tirzepatide failed endo results, that limit exceeded despite high purity.

@Atlas No one can tell you that. That's like asking how many units of pep! It depends on your usage. Some may have 1 vial last 3 months, some 1 month, some 15 days.

You have to be sovereign to decide that for yourself but you should also stop falling for every time someone calls "wolf"!

I can see why Lilly is trying to get Reta classified as biologic and also keep access tight — probably won't be prescribed for general weight loss but only fatty liver and such specific ailments.

Here's my personal guess — Tirzepatide and Foundayo just came out and are catching market. They still have a long runway till patents expire and generics come. Lilly needs to make sure they get the full ROI on Zepbound and Foundayo and their own Reta doesn't kill them. So Reta biologic and very special conditions, T and F for general weight loss. By the time T and F come close to patent expiration, they will open Reta for general weight loss.

@flyhigh Licensed Peptides is a scam or was 6 months ago. They sell untested products, vial QRs don't link to any COAs.

I ordered and returned the peps because of their constant lies and bypassing COA questions. A couple of months later I found COAs on their page with date LATER than when they were selling those vials claiming to be third party tested. And no they weren't different batches. I kept notes on vials I returned.

@gym.rat said:

Dr Jones DC is a product and service pusher to the point he might as well be on QVC full time and I'm not sure he's all that accurate with some of his things. For example the CJC 5x on 2x off is actually BS. It's also not stronger than Tesa as he claims. Since he has 50x markup on his china peptides he also pushes stacks you don't need. I can no longer handle him to be honest as all he cares about is his wallet....JUST CALL THIS NUMBER ON THE SCREEN. The least genuine person on this list. I'll boycott him until I die.

Tatum is really funny and I like his videos and research.

Froese is also legit from what I can tell and seems genuine.

Humiston is entertaining to me b/c our sense of humor aligns perfectly and I'm also a gym rat, so his wide range of topics hits just right.

Backmeyer....don't even get me started on this fraud.

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@mmp used till last drop for 100 days with the following strict rule — once a noodle is out of BAC bottle no repoking with the same one. Fresh noodle for every poke. At times after reconstituting multiple peps, I'm left with a pile of 3ml luer locks to dispose but hey luer locks are dirt cheap.

Use noodles liberally and BAC judiciously!

My 2c.