Hey guys. Checked out for a few days. Sick kiddo and busy work schedule. Rapid fire answers in no particular order.
Adrian-Kimera enclo lot # is KC-ENC-05 mfg date 4-15-26.
Denti- sorry I don't have a referral code- just not my style. I wish I could help you figure out what your results mean but since we don't know what was in those capsules it'll be speculation. Your description of intense hunger and hot flashes was something I had not heard before from folks taking enclo and why I did some more digging. It could have been a combination of compounds. Got any left over for testing? The term "bunk" is apt here but always remember it may not be just a benign filler. Your pituitary axis took a hit from something(s).
bObb- you're not wrong about the half life of enclomiphene. However if you take it in the evening, sleep as it does its work, the end result mimics natural physiology decently- your T level ends up highest in the am, but avoids large spikes like TRT- hence the more current recommendation for 2-3 divided doses per week. Daily is even better but is a commitment! But then of course your balls shrink and you lose most of your swimmers- unless you take corrective action. I agree with you that a compounding pharmacy source improves your chances of getting what you paid for, and not getting something harmful- like our poor friend denti!
ManicX- yes it is. I just listened to a 20 minute lecture, at a major mens health society conference, on enclomiphene as part of the armamentarium for treating/optimizing T levels in men (majority younger) who wish to preserve fertility. It is absolutely a standard of care 'option'. It is not the least bit fringe. But as with all things your mileage may vary!

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@denti
Bet you're not surprised at this point. E2 was negatively affected as well. I'm confident that what you got was not enclomiphene (or clomid for that matter) and whatever it was messed with your pituitary. So you need a win my friend. Honestly, if you haven't already, I'd suggest starting at the beginning of this thread and read through how it evolved over time. The reason I sent 3 samples to Vanguard was to answer the question/concern about whether sources were just sending Clomid and asked them specifically to quantify the Zuclomiphene isomer (not desired). The great Randy himself gave me the idea. Fortunately, (and with a $250 per sample price tag!) all good with those 3. I hear Kimera may now make you jump through some hoops to register. My account was apparently grandfathered in. (FYI- Empower is a compounding pharmacy and you need a script). Sooo...I'd suggest Swiss Chems. $80 for 12.5mg, 60 caps. Latest batch looks good according to Freedom (not a favorite in this forum cuz 'reasons', but what are you gonna do).

@denti
Yep- at least when I had them tested. Swiss Chems and Kimera Chems. See my post Aug 29 up-thread for COA's. Also went down a little rabbit hole on your situation. Check out MK-677 (aka ibutamoren) and see if you think this might be what you were actually sent in those capsules.

Yikes...So. There are some clues here. Look at your LH/ FSH. Both DECREASED- the opposite of what enclomiphene should have produced, SHBG crashed as well. This strongly suggests enclomiphene was NOT what you took. This plus the side effects you mentioned imply you were actually exposed to an oral AAS or possibly a SARM. Run your scenario through your favorite clanker. I think it will agree. The only way to know would be to test it but clearly I wouldn't take any more of it!

@denti
Its possible. Could have been clomid. Could have been nothing at all. Same rules apply here as peptides. See my COA postings Aug 29 comparing Swiss Chems, Kimera, and Empower and the absence of the zuclomiphene isomer from those sources. Also, almost a week between discontinuation of enclo and lab testing is definitely a stretch. Early AM blood draw? How about free T, E2, SHBG, FSH, LH before and after?

Plan for as early an AM draw as you can schedule and hold your AM dose of enclo. This way you will know your trough levels of test, e2, etc. Changes in dosing response can be reliably tested in 4-6 weeks.

@KKat
Thanks for the endorsement! Staring at a kit from Nexaph as I type this. Adding a little pepper back into the salt would be a bonus. Was also hoping for some skin tightening in the former location of my spare tire

@user_16538
Can be more- In roughly 9 months (labs quarterly) my total T went from 518 to 1050. Free from 48 to 138. This at a 6.25mg daily dose Enclo. The COA's posted were mine. Good sources are available. The last quarterly labs showed an increase in T from 893 to 1050 (free from 122 to 138) with the addition of boron, tongkat Ali, and zinc- with stable enclo dosing. So an additional bump from those supplements is also possible. I have vials of HCG ready but with these results I'm holding off- both shbg and E2 are normal but slightly higher than my baseline so I don't want to screw with anything right now. Just recognize that this regimen should not be counted on if more advanced manipulations (AAS, gear, etc.) are being used. It won't hold up. TRT is required for that.

@Paul_C
This sounds like something relatively new. I don't recall having to add much when I made my account. If asked by one of these sites I usually respond with a snarky reason like "Independent, Pre-clinical research on swole" or some other dipshit comment. Hopefully the dude on the other end gets a chuckle.

You're both right. Raw vs cooked!

@denti
Sadly- no. Tried the standard dose and then followed that with a 'Max' 6 weeks later. Nada. I have labs Sat. morning. Unless I see something interesting in those results that particular product won't be on my wish list in the future.

@Mydogdaryl423
Ha. I doubt it. That man knows how to live. Oysters, caviar, steak. He is living his best life and obviously prepared for it.

Typical hit job. Create a new account. Drop bombs. Members ask reasonable questions which never get answered. Maggie has disappeared into the ether! So Pete, if you sent a message to customer service and tagged Jay do you think he would directly respond to you. I'm just wondering if that tidy sum comes with any fringe benefits!

@denti
Patience young Jedi! Veins first (4-6 weeks). EAT. Follow your volume and strength score on tonal- you should see an uptick in your progress of both after about 4 weeks or so- add a few reps to your last set if not at failure. Muscle growth and definition becomes impossible to deny at about 8 weeks. That will boost motivation and all you'll want to do is train!

Since you're brand new to the forum, it's customary for OP's to provide "receipts" when making such claims. Any pictures of the vials, correspondence, or mailer? I have never received vials from BLL (over a dozen orders) in a manner such as you describe. Very odd.

You're doing great work. Picture #2 is a much better starting place for Test optimization- you won't aromatize nearly as much toward the estrogen side of the equation. If you feel comfortable doing so, post those labs in 8 weeks so we can dissect them!!

@bfuller
Cool! its a nice 'study' with basic statistical analysis in a sizable and varied population that shows good response to therapy. I missed a methods section which would have described how the various dosages for these men were initially chosen and then altered over time- but its a small thing for most folks on this forum considering going for it on their own. As usual start lower and increase based on labs and symptoms. Great find.

@ResearchCat
Good luck! It's a valid approach for optimization. Plus you'll know whether moving on to TRT at some point in the future is really necessary. Remember though, this won't stand up to the use of other 'enhancements' (AAS, ++, whatever you want to call it) even if you add in HCG. Lab results should show up quickly. I humbly suggest 6-8 wks and then adjust as necessary.

@ResearchCat
Nothing serious to complain about. I used the 12.5mg every other day. Mass is a tad low. They take a few days longer to arrive. Exp dates are well into the future. Website has been refreshed. They'll send emails frequently about their other compounds. They have many niche compounds. Some recent struggles with CC processing- who hasn't? Kimera is a bit faster. They have the 6.25mg capsule if you're into daily dosing. I just cringe at their logo. Empower was easy to deal with- but then you're relying on THE SYSTEM. I had questions as 'a patient' at checkout (by phone) and they immediately connected me with a pharmacist! After getting these results back I can't see how you can go wrong. (Until some smarty pants chimes in and takes issue with the COA methodology- bring it! LOL)
P.S. I know a urologist who takes clomid and is sticking to it!