Bacteriostatic Water
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@THammil said in Bacteriostatic Water:
Out of curiosity, has anyone considered making your own Bac water? I've seen a few posts on it out on the web of people mixing their own.
Yup I've thought and gone in the rabbit hole too:
- Get sterile water for injection, Hospira or any pharma grade brand, usually no shortage drama for these.
- Get USP grade pure benzyl alcohol, available on medical supply sites easily and even on Amazon.
- For each 10ml of sterile water inject 10 units (0.1ml) of benzyl alcohol. That gives you 0.99% BA BAC (0.1 / 10.1 × 100)
In fact according to the LLM apps, sterile water for irrigation is as good as SWF injections as their prep procedure is the same. Irrigation one is easily available on Amazon or other sites but comes in sealed bottles not vials.
There's too much hype of Hospira BAC. The entire European pep community survives on sterile water.
Having said that, I usually keep enough of H BAC stock. This deep dive was for backup plans.
@pep_researcher
I keep wondering the same thing, especially after watching that YouTube vid where he talks about the whole of Europe only using sterile water.
I mean we’re all reconstituting different peps to different strengths and sticking them in our rats guts with needles - surely we can put a bit of alcohol in a bottle of water?This current scarcity of BAC
and paying $2-300 for a 1/3 of a litre of fucking water is insane.Or is there something I’m missing and Hospital has some magic jungle juice in it too?
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@pep_researcher (Speaking in Gen-X): Hose water.
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@statieeight It’s way outside my wheelhouse, but my uncle was in the hospital for several months after a fall last winter. If you want to suffer sticker shock, watch how much gear the ICU nurses burn through in 5-10 minutes while administering morning meds to a patient.
They followed all the right processes, but man, do they throw away a lot of gear. They never use the same syringe to push meds twice.
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Also, (sorry, still can’t edit posts on my ipad) wrt Europe and safety, I keep reading all these shock scare stories about ‘not FDA approved, unsafe’ peptides from China, and I am not suggesting people don’t practice proper care and due diligence, but I am not seeing any stories about people dying from peptides.
Given how opposed to peptides the medical industrial complex is, and how in bed with them the FDA is, you’d think that every available story to that effect would be front page news. Instead, the Wall Street Journal is running front page looksmaxxing stories and their readers are clutching pearls over ripped twinks.
Yeah, well, I’m just here for the research, man. - The Dude
If I haven’t liked your post, no offense. I have exceeded my daily allowance.
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Also, (sorry, still can’t edit posts on my ipad) wrt Europe and safety, I keep reading all these shock scare stories about ‘not FDA approved, unsafe’ peptides from China, and I am not suggesting people don’t practice proper care and due diligence, but I am not seeing any stories about people dying from peptides.
Given how opposed to peptides the medical industrial complex is, and how in bed with them the FDA is, you’d think that every available story to that effect would be front page news. Instead, the Wall Street Journal is running front page looksmaxxing stories and their readers are clutching pearls over ripped twinks.
@ResearchCat said in Bacteriostatic Water:
Also, (sorry, still can’t edit posts on my ipad) wrt Europe and safety, I keep reading all these shock scare stories about ‘not FDA approved, unsafe’ peptides from China, and I am not suggesting people don’t practice proper care and due diligence, but I am not seeing any stories about people dying from peptides.
Given how opposed to peptides the medical industrial complex is, and how in bed with them the FDA is, you’d think that every available story to that effect would be front page news. Instead, the Wall Street Journal is running front page looksmaxxing stories and their readers are clutching pearls over ripped twinks.
They only cherry pick extreme cases and run clickbaits with them all over the social media. But if it's about finding cat hair in Novo's Wegovy pens, IN THE SUPPLY CHAIN, it's all hushed up.
Freaking Demon Agents or Freaking Double Agents
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I have no problem with Rosie using bac past 30 days, but I'm confused a bit. Bac "should be stored in a cool, dry place" BEFORE opening, yes? After puncture, doesn't it go in the fridge? Same as Tesmorelin? I can't possibly use 30ml in 30 days; would like to push it out 60-90 days. Suggestions? (I'm still reading all the posts here. Be patient with my newbieness.)
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I have no problem with Rosie using bac past 30 days, but I'm confused a bit. Bac "should be stored in a cool, dry place" BEFORE opening, yes? After puncture, doesn't it go in the fridge? Same as Tesmorelin? I can't possibly use 30ml in 30 days; would like to push it out 60-90 days. Suggestions? (I'm still reading all the posts here. Be patient with my newbieness.)
@Eleanor I believe unrefridgerated up to 90 days while using. Exp. date on bottle if unopened.
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@gym.rat said in Bacteriostatic Water:
@Eleanor Once I puncture it, goes in the fridge and covered in foil. I date it as well. Once it hits 30 days whatever I haven't used gets tossed in the trash. Some peps can take me 60 days to get through and around that 90 day mark BAC water falls off a cliff. So 30 days is my rule. No exceptions.
Cliff is not exactly a cliff. See this
https://community.peptidecritic.com/post/6039 -
@Eleanor I believe unrefridgerated up to 90 days while using. Exp. date on bottle if unopened.
@Hammertime65 Thanks Hammer. I've got some research to do, as you can see, I'm getting a variety of answers. It's not that I expect 1, definitive answer, but you understand my concern. Still haven't finished reading all the posts in this thread. What I have read varies widely.
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@gym.rat said in Bacteriostatic Water:
@Eleanor Once I puncture it, goes in the fridge and covered in foil. I date it as well. Once it hits 30 days whatever I haven't used gets tossed in the trash. Some peps can take me 60 days to get through and around that 90 day mark BAC water falls off a cliff. So 30 days is my rule. No exceptions.
Cliff is not exactly a cliff. See this
https://community.peptidecritic.com/post/6039 -
@pep_researcher Got it. Great graph! Thanks!
@Eleanor said in Bacteriostatic Water:
@pep_researcher Got it. Great graph! Thanks!
I meant read the explanation I posted with it too.
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@Eleanor said in Bacteriostatic Water:
@pep_researcher Got it. Great graph! Thanks!
I meant read the explanation I posted with it too.
@pep_researcher I read it, pep.
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I agree about being wary of using it after 30 days. It will probably still be good, but you may be using that in a peptide that will stay in your fridge for 6-8 weeks. So, that BAC water could be 90 days old. Even with the price increase, it's not enough to risk getting a problem from.
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I agree about being wary of using it after 30 days. It will probably still be good, but you may be using that in a peptide that will stay in your fridge for 6-8 weeks. So, that BAC water could be 90 days old. Even with the price increase, it's not enough to risk getting a problem from.
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@gym.rat said in Bacteriostatic Water:
@pep_researcher Cliffy enough for me. BAC is so cheap why even risk it? To each their own I suppose.
Of course. The discussion is more for when availability trumps protocols. If I have abundant H BAC I wouldn't care such deep dives. Currently it's on shortage and out of stock at almost all places.
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@Eleanor BAC without benzyl alcohol is just sterile water, which doesn't automatically go bad. That's pond water! lol.
Even sterile water needs actual microbial contact to spoil. BAC just slows that process down compared to plain sterile water.
Bottom line: neither goes bad on its own, contamination has to happen first.
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@Eleanor FWIW all these 30, 60, 90 whatever days norms are assuming imperfect human handling which may introduce microbes and it's basically risk minimization protocols assuming human errors.
If someone is confident of their asceptic handling techniques, they can use BAC or sterile water till the last drop in the vial.
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Let's take this a step further... Sterile water...Isn't it the same as distilled water?
Couldn't we just take water processed through a reverse osmosis system and then distill (using a glass still) it into a glass bottle that has been boiled for a given amount of time. Maintain near boiling temperature of the water from the still and seal while at temperature. After cooling process with the proper mix of Benzyl Alcohol,
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