Bacteriostatic Water
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I have no problem with Rosie using bac past 30 days, but I'm confused a bit. Bac "should be stored in a cool, dry place" BEFORE opening, yes? After puncture, doesn't it go in the fridge? Same as Tesmorelin? I can't possibly use 30ml in 30 days; would like to push it out 60-90 days. Suggestions? (I'm still reading all the posts here. Be patient with my newbieness.)
@Eleanor I believe unrefridgerated up to 90 days while using. Exp. date on bottle if unopened.
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@gym.rat said in Bacteriostatic Water:
@Eleanor Once I puncture it, goes in the fridge and covered in foil. I date it as well. Once it hits 30 days whatever I haven't used gets tossed in the trash. Some peps can take me 60 days to get through and around that 90 day mark BAC water falls off a cliff. So 30 days is my rule. No exceptions.
Cliff is not exactly a cliff. See this
https://community.peptidecritic.com/post/6039 -
@Eleanor I believe unrefridgerated up to 90 days while using. Exp. date on bottle if unopened.
@Hammertime65 Thanks Hammer. I've got some research to do, as you can see, I'm getting a variety of answers. It's not that I expect 1, definitive answer, but you understand my concern. Still haven't finished reading all the posts in this thread. What I have read varies widely.
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@gym.rat said in Bacteriostatic Water:
@Eleanor Once I puncture it, goes in the fridge and covered in foil. I date it as well. Once it hits 30 days whatever I haven't used gets tossed in the trash. Some peps can take me 60 days to get through and around that 90 day mark BAC water falls off a cliff. So 30 days is my rule. No exceptions.
Cliff is not exactly a cliff. See this
https://community.peptidecritic.com/post/6039 -
@pep_researcher Got it. Great graph! Thanks!
@Eleanor said in Bacteriostatic Water:
@pep_researcher Got it. Great graph! Thanks!
I meant read the explanation I posted with it too.
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@Eleanor said in Bacteriostatic Water:
@pep_researcher Got it. Great graph! Thanks!
I meant read the explanation I posted with it too.
@pep_researcher I read it, pep.
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I agree about being wary of using it after 30 days. It will probably still be good, but you may be using that in a peptide that will stay in your fridge for 6-8 weeks. So, that BAC water could be 90 days old. Even with the price increase, it's not enough to risk getting a problem from.
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I agree about being wary of using it after 30 days. It will probably still be good, but you may be using that in a peptide that will stay in your fridge for 6-8 weeks. So, that BAC water could be 90 days old. Even with the price increase, it's not enough to risk getting a problem from.
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@gym.rat said in Bacteriostatic Water:
@pep_researcher Cliffy enough for me. BAC is so cheap why even risk it? To each their own I suppose.
Of course. The discussion is more for when availability trumps protocols. If I have abundant H BAC I wouldn't care such deep dives. Currently it's on shortage and out of stock at almost all places.
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@Eleanor BAC without benzyl alcohol is just sterile water, which doesn't automatically go bad. That's pond water! lol.
Even sterile water needs actual microbial contact to spoil. BAC just slows that process down compared to plain sterile water.
Bottom line: neither goes bad on its own, contamination has to happen first.
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@Eleanor FWIW all these 30, 60, 90 whatever days norms are assuming imperfect human handling which may introduce microbes and it's basically risk minimization protocols assuming human errors.
If someone is confident of their asceptic handling techniques, they can use BAC or sterile water till the last drop in the vial.
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Let's take this a step further... Sterile water...Isn't it the same as distilled water?
Couldn't we just take water processed through a reverse osmosis system and then distill (using a glass still) it into a glass bottle that has been boiled for a given amount of time. Maintain near boiling temperature of the water from the still and seal while at temperature. After cooling process with the proper mix of Benzyl Alcohol, -
Let's take this a step further... Sterile water...Isn't it the same as distilled water?
Couldn't we just take water processed through a reverse osmosis system and then distill (using a glass still) it into a glass bottle that has been boiled for a given amount of time. Maintain near boiling temperature of the water from the still and seal while at temperature. After cooling process with the proper mix of Benzyl Alcohol,@robertwalker Theoretically correct but AFAIK I think distillation is a step before sterilization. Typically sterile water comes with guaranteed low endotoxin levels.
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I agree about being wary of using it after 30 days. It will probably still be good, but you may be using that in a peptide that will stay in your fridge for 6-8 weeks. So, that BAC water could be 90 days old. Even with the price increase, it's not enough to risk getting a problem from.
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Let's take this a step further... Sterile water...Isn't it the same as distilled water?
Couldn't we just take water processed through a reverse osmosis system and then distill (using a glass still) it into a glass bottle that has been boiled for a given amount of time. Maintain near boiling temperature of the water from the still and seal while at temperature. After cooling process with the proper mix of Benzyl Alcohol,@robertwalker https://youtu.be/pp_AgdDYQmQ?si=CocFDVk-5x3ruv7_
I hope this doesn't turn into an episode of breaking bad but... Making bacwater isn't hard.
"If it doesnt come in a needle. It doesn't work"
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@robertwalker https://youtu.be/pp_AgdDYQmQ?si=CocFDVk-5x3ruv7_
I hope this doesn't turn into an episode of breaking bad but... Making bacwater isn't hard.
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@robertwalker https://youtu.be/pp_AgdDYQmQ?si=CocFDVk-5x3ruv7_
I hope this doesn't turn into an episode of breaking bad but... Making bacwater isn't hard.
@Randy Thanks for the video link.
I'd do things a bit different to lower the possibility of contamination. I did like the fact that the youtuber mentioned use of a pressure cooker. That can be used as an autoclave to sterilize bottles and the distillation equipment. As for those that sight the sterility of the environment that is why you should close loop the still with stopper and a single small pressure relief. (close out the environment as much as possible) Further many people already own HEPA air filters and Ion generator air purifiers. A small closet or grow tent could be set up with a table, seat and filters equipped as a lab. It would be very close to lab sterile and could produce large quantities of perfectly good BAC within hours, the only difference would be testing the purity. -
@Randy ROTFL. Open containers, no masks, no gloves, no clean room... awesome! I'm now confident I can make BAC at home because my asceptic protocols are a lot stricter and I will start with certified sterile water.
@pep_researcher i make mine in a bathtub
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