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Similar thing happened to me with their AOD-9604. To their credit they said they would refund me if I shipped it back. Was too much trouble for me to do so and I didn’t think of asking them for an RMA and return label so I just trashed all the “old” vials and added them to my Do Not Purchase from Vendor list.

@ursus said:

@denti Jano charges 350 not including the shipping costs just for a basic panel. Endo is like 180 extra and often not done in typical tests.

Plus delays even when they get it.

I’m planning to trash the whole kit unless Randy wants it. I don’t know if what I have is even part of the same batch as I bought it from a US vendor, but the cap and crimp is same color and not worth the risk to me.

@Randy

I purchase a kit that has same cap and crimp that has not been tested for endotoxins. I actually do not want to use this kit anymore incase it’s part of this same batch. I can send it to you if you would like to have it tested.

@Stevepep said:

@Eleanor It's the only way we have power in unity. F these vendors. There are so many good ones; no need to deal with the scammers

Agreed 100%. We have options. If someone gets screwed over by a vendor, even if we haven’t personally, we should not support that vendors business anymore. Support those who back their products and actually follow through when they say they will issue a refund.

Same here as well. Keeping an eye on them. Looking forward to newer COAs and placing an order in the future.

@Randy said:

The core issue is not how the documents are organized. You are using the same endotoxin, fentanyl, and heavy-metals reports across numerous different products.

A clean endotoxin result for one batch of BPC-157 does not establish that a separate batch of tirzepatide, or any other compound from the same supplier, is also clean. Each product and batch needs its own traceable, product-specific testing. Rearranging duplicated reports into cleaner folders does not resolve the underlying problem.

I feel like this is common sense no? Are they purposely being obtuse or do they really not know any better and just quickly put up a site to make money in this gold rush?

@StudzPeptides said:

@Randy We planned on moving over to Freedom, you guys prefer AFI and Vanguard to Freedom?

If you do that you will get some of my business. I like your prices.

@MJ227 said:

Just wanted to give everyone an update because I'm honestly pretty disappointed with how this has been handled.

I was told my refund would be taken care of, but I still haven't received anything. My payment was made through Zelle, and I've been checking regularly with no payment or transaction showing up.

At this point, it's frustrating. I wasn't asking for anything unreasonable—I received a bad product, then a replacement that was even worse, and all I wanted was a refund. I really hoped this would have been resolved by now.

I'll continue to update this thread if anything changes.

That's absolutely ridiculous that you still have not received your refund.

@Stevepep

I figured the Nexaph crypto sale was to clear out their old inventory as they moved to new inventory that has full panel testing.

@erichulburt said:

Yes, I was a little surprised they wouldn't send a replacement for a $35 vial... I mean I am seeing posts from vetted grey market vendors issuing credits/replacements for the entire kit for similar issues. Still no change in the solution, not risking my rat for this.
Vendor SouthernAminos, I included a screen shot of their policy so no one has to create an account to view it. No issues with them till this, first time I had to deal with customer service, which is what other negative reviews also mentioned. Researchers be aware of their policy. I don't think an issue with the batch is the problem. Product ships from the same fulfillment address as other vendors and no issues with those ones either. Just customer no-service...

Thank you for naming them. They are already on my do not buy list as I had an issue with them with AOD-9604. If you look up my posts you can see a thread I started about them. They did offer for me too ship it back (at my own expense for a refund) but it was not worth the hassle for me to do so. I simply don't trust them.

Market is saturated with so many vendors, that we can pick and choose who we want to buy from. I imagine with their policy they have lost a customer in you.

Why do you not think it's an issue with the batch? I think that's exactly what the issue is. They sent me two different batches of AOD 9604 but used the same batch # on the bottle. That does not seem right to me and actually concerning. But on their bottles they label the avg mg in each vial. So same batch # but different avg mg?? As you can see in the picture below, the vial on the left looks old and faded compared to the vial on the right. The vial on the right matches the COA while the vial on the left does not match the COA in regards to mass and purity. I discarded 10 vials of the older looking AOD from them



Please name the vendor. It so ridiculous to me that some of these vendors don't want to keep a customer happy. As we all know their margins are incredible on single vial peptides. They replace the vial and keep you happy and ordering from them in the future. They don't and consumers like me will add them to our do not buy from list. So please name the vendor.

To put it in perspective though mine was a slightly different issue, I had purchased about I believe 24vials of AOD 9604 from Instant Peptides. 3 straight vials gelled using Hospira Bac water and their own Acetic Acid. Contacted Chris the owner and he sent replacement AOD 9604 and AA to try out. The new vials reconstituted fine and I figured out the issue was actually their AA. Just using Hospira alone without AA reconned fine. Because Chris did the correct thing to keep me happy, by sending out new vials to try, he kept me as a customer even though I can find cheaper prices elsewhere. And I buy in bulk. Some of these vendors are penny wise and pound foolish.

@diegoc said:

@denti So i was heavy maybe not as heavy as you were but I lost 30+ lbs.

Obviously the Gym is key for muscle growth but my skin was sagging a little as well and about 6months in the GH and GHK started tightening some.

For those really heavy ppl and loose skin, i would build muscle then see the options for further skin enhancement.

Im 55 and i will probably do a little something on my face after i see when i get to 8% BF

Your second picture is essentially what I look like now but with very loose skin on my lower abdomen. My upper area like shoulders etc is more defined with seeing my collar bones. I'm wondering if that's due to the weighted vest. And due to the loose skin my mind tells me that I still look like I'm 200lbs yet I'm 40lbs below that and within a normal healthy range.

@ResearchCat said:

Over and over and over again, doctors and influencers will tell you that proper sleep, diet, and lifting heavy things are the best thing you can do for hormonal balance and overall well-being. There are even arguments to be made that all this peptide nonsense is just driving you to get better sleep and eat better, which leads to the results you want.

TL;DR - and no, I am not your real dad ( ), but if you know your test is tanking because of lifestyle issues, try to solve that organically before you spend a ton of money on peps and other stuff.

I was talking to a urologist yesterday and they were saying a large swing(drop) in T levels from one test to another could be just due to short term stuff and doesn’t necessarily warrant TRT.

Sorry I am rambling. Seth Capehart made a video recently that basically says what I said above, and what @diegoc is saying. Do lift, eat, and sleep for 6 months and if you don’t feel great and have good labs, then dive down the rabbit hole.

You're right but unfortunately I do not have the willpower to leave a toxic situation that is slowly killing me, yet I have the willpower to strap on 40lbs and run and not stop. Wish I had that determination and fortitude in my relationship.

@diegoc said:

@denti

That's my goal diegoc to look like you. I have veiny arms right now without even lifting but my abdomen is just full of loose skin. It is depressing and causing me to have body dysmorphia.

@Stevepep said:

People, let's wait and see. How many times have we seen this in the last two years? It's always been a ploy to get people to order like mad. Send an email "order now because the price is going to double". Look at peptide test after the big 60Pct price hike email. Still the same price over a month later, and no order restrictions, no sell-outs per day.

The sad part is it works and gets people in a frenzy, so they go back to it over and over and move a bunch of inventory when sales slow down.

Exactly. I will never purchase from Peptidetest again. And I used to buy all my BAC water, needles, syringes from them. They went from having $11 bottles available all day to then saying there is a shortage and doing daily drops of 600 bottles so you should buy now at $15 a bottle and limiting you, to now having as many as you want 400 vial boxes available and a new single vial price of $16.50 a bottle. All in the span of what 2-3 months? I don't believe there is an actual shortage. But they and others were able to create a temporary artificial supply issue and were able to move the avg price up across the market.

@Stevepep said:

@Randy I hear ya, just don't get why these vendors don't get with the program. I get the we have product we need to sell mentality and can't wait, but it's not for me. I was close to buying from S1, but I am going to just stick to my comfort level, and the COA needs to say Jano, AFI, or Vanguard. Happy to pay a little more for that. Studz has some great prices; that's for sure. We are seeing lots of growing pains in the industry right now.

What issue are you having with S1? So far I have only purchased SS-31 from them but am satisfied as they have good pricing on 50mg vials.

@diegoc said:

@denti I would hold off on the FLGR, but good that you got the discount.

Im not saying you should do this, but this is what I would do.

I would raise my Testosterone, at least to the top of the range, this will give you strength to push hard in the gym.

You need a min of 3x a week in the gym, full body or 4x a week if you split.

You would waste your FLGR if you dont prime your muscles.

Eat at least 150-160g of protein, i eat more but thats a min.
40-60g of Fats and the rest in carbs.

Track your protein and calories.

Check your Thyroid….

About 3-4 weeks in Testosterone, start your Tesa, or GH .

Get in the gym around 2-3months, get good at form and do progressive overload, track your lift.

THEN, add FLGR…..

I appreciate the advice. I avg around 120g of protein a day right now. Will try to get it up to around 150g soon. My Thyroid-Stimulating Hormone (TSH) if that's what you are referring to was at 1.3 at last check.

The current plan is to cut back on the running to maybe once a week and hit my tonal 3-4days a week. I just want to put on muscle as quickly as I can. Not looking to be huge, but just to not look like skinny fat any longer.

@Stones67 said:

@denti
Grade-A. Well thought out analysis and plan. Your labs look good. Ideally a bit more T would be nice but as you trim away some more BF you may. see a bump. Awesome you just had a Dexa. I started FLGR about 2 months after my first Dexa so my second testing results were after 4 months of using. Wish I would have timed this better but such is life. Currently I'm 'blasting' at 5mg weekly (1mg daily Tues-Sat) which BLL considers 'advanced' use. There is no scientific reason for this dosing strategy and I can't dispute those who say weekly or twice a week dosing is the way to go. In roughly 2 months I plan on a break and am currently trying to decide what, if anything, to substitute with (ex. IGF1-LR3 + PEG MGF for 6 weeks- thoughts Pete, Diego, and Co?). Others will chime in I'm sure but I would emphasize Tonal 3-5 times a week (flgr is a muscle building compound after all) and increase protein to 1.5-1.8 gm lean body mass daily. Welcome to the club lab rat!

So regarding Testosterone this is what actually started me on my peptide journey and focus on my health. Last year June at age 43 my Testosterone was 728. This April so in 10 months it dropped by 40% to 477. Since then I've gotten it up with Ashwagandha supplements but no where near it was. I believe the drop was due to some extreme personal relationship issues that I was going through and still going through today. A lot of sleepless nights and most likely elevated cortisol which killed my Testosterone. I would love to get back into the 700s but I want to avoid TRT if at all possible. I am interested to see what my Testosterone will be at once I add on muscle with the help of FLGR242

@Shaqdiesel said:

@denti I know this is off the topic here so maybe a DM but can you tell me the specifics for your 8-week protocol for SS-31/Mots-c/NAD+/5Amino-1mq? How much, when, frequency for each? Results so far?

Sure. This is my first time running this stack so I am not saying follow this but this is what I decided to do after researching what others have done, what they stacked and when.

SS-31: Weeks 1-8/Daily 10mg
Mots-c: Weeks 5-8/ Mon,Wed,Fri 2mg first week titrating up to 5mg final 2 weeks
NAD+: Weeks 5-8/ Tue,Thurs Sat 25mg first week titrating up to 100mg final weeks
5AM1MQ: Weeks 5-12/Daily 5mg (This one I have ran before with Tesa and like it)

Results. I started my peptide journey about 4months ago. I started around 190lbs back in February/March. Goal was to get down to 175. Then still felt fat so new goal was 160lbs which I am past. I have ran Wolverine stack for 8 weeks for knee and achilles pain and healed my achilles. Ran 5AM1MQ for 8 weeks and also ran Tesa without ipa for 8 weeks and my visceral fat according to dexa back in February was 1.2lbs. Last week after dexa it was 0.6lbs. So I believe that definitely helped. I'm finishing up final few days of AOD-9064. I take that fasted in the morning. Does that help I really don't know. My problem is I have tried so many different peptides for 8 weeks cycle one on top of another and I have just continued to cut weight. So what's really working the best I cannot pinpoint. And then I also physically run a lot so that could really be what's helping me lose weight. That's the unfortunate part of running too many things all at once.

My issue is that I have been losing weight slowly for the past 4 years. I started around 260lb. So I lost 70lbs on my own without the use of any peptides but these last 4 months on peptides with increase in cardio has made the weight fall off much faster. So I can't really pinpoint to what worked best and just trying things out as I go along. So with this SS-31/Mots-c/NAD+/5AM1MQ my goal was to push my endurance even harder. I can run 6miles with a 40lb weighted vest on me. I wanted to push further and see what my limits are physically. I feel more energetic with this stack but could be placebo. It's an expensive stack to run with SS-31 but I am willing to try everything once.

I hate the way I look. I just look skinny fat and soft (I think due to having so much loose skin otherwise everyone who sees me clothed thinks I look very lean) and that's why I am now going to switch it up after this SS31/motsc/nad cycle is done and focus on FLGR242 and resistance training. It's like what PeptidePete wrote above in this thread about body recomposition. I made losing lbs on the scale my focus and I'm actually not happy the way I look even though the scale has me below what my goal was. I rather be 175lbs and lean and cut then 155lbs and soft. Its a hard mental transition to make as I feel bad every time I weigh myself and the scale goes up even 1lb but logically I know its about how you look that matters, not the number on the scale. I'm 44 and would like to have visible abs for once in my life even if I can't maintain it. But unfortunately I have too much excess skin that I will probably need to have surgery one day to remove it. But for now I can try to bulk up with muscle and try to get below 15% body fat with the help of FLGR242.

I should add back in February when I had a dexa right before starting peptides, I had nearly 30% body fat. So in the 4months It has dropped around 12%

Their pricing is good. But yes just need a known lab and they will get my business.