@coondogesq I’m on tirz/maz because I couldn’t tolerate Reta. The increased resting heart rate and skin sensitivity was too much for me even at just 1mg. I switched to Maz off Randy’s recommendation, he says Maz was gentler than Survo. I started with tirz 2.5 weekly and then 2.5 twice a week. I stayed there.
I added Maz 0.5 once a week then moved to twice a week after 2 weeks. I slowly moved to 1mg twice a week, and have been on that tirz/maz combo for a couple months now. I have a little heart rate increase and slight skin sensitivity but otherwise going well.
As for lowering the tirz, you’ll get tons of opinions. I’m of the opinion to use the lowest dose possible so you don’t blow out all your receptors. But if it’s prescription, you may not be able to. I have heard trying to step down can result in prescription denial.
Survo is cheaper than Maz tho. And fewer carry Maz. So think about which one you want to marry yourself to for a while. When I’m out, I may try Survo just cuz I can get a kit from Nexaph.

I successfully reconned AOD! I got a 5mg vial from Mile High (I think the 10 was just too concentrated) and made sure it and the Hospira was room temp. I put in a whole 3mL just to make sure it stayed nice and dilute. I also tried to maintain the vacuum, for what that’s worth. And it went great! Loaded a vial into a V4 pen. Have yet to try it.
Thanks, you guys!

I had 10mg vials from 2 different vendors. Both gelled. But they were cloudy when gelled, so I wouldn’t have used them. I am not sure they were completely at room temp and I didn’t try the maintaining a vacuum thing.
I wonder if this is why Nexaph only sells 2mg vials. Alpha Biolabs also had difficulty making high concentration vials that wouldn’t gel, but they said they finally got the ph right on the large concentrations.

@vpeps I totally agree. I would only buy from BLL. If others have the FLGR, I wonder if that means they also have the albumin binding part too. Otherwise, the FLGR will be dead in 4 hours, even if it is the real protein.

@vpeps I could go on about the design of kidney function trials, but that’s not important. Changes in cre or CystC can cut both ways. It’s not that simple. My skepticism with him and his line of 200 rando drug patents is that he can’t even coherently explain a mechanism of action that makes any medical sense.
Now this albumin binding protein that’s supposed to increase the half life of these drugs, maybe that’s something. But I don’t know if I buy this Apileen13 thing if there’s already an additional 3 receptor agonist baked in with it.

@mmp I’m super skeptical about anything Mike Farber is putting out. I hate the way he describes Klotho in terms of its kidney utility. I’m a nephrologist, and it’s quite clear he has NO idea what he is talking about. Not that it may not work in some ways in some situations, but he just has no idea how to delineate tubular interstial disease from glomerular disease, and that’s dangerous to people who look to this for CKD. Maybe he stumbled onto something good with FLGR and this new quad4 drug, but I have a feeling he’s really getting ahead of his skis. And Jay Campbell and Trevor Kruder are getting swept up in the excitement of it all.

I’m all for peps (especially the ones that have been used for 15-20 years), but I don’t know if I’ll trade my well established and studied GLP1 class for a brand new and completely untested alternative. And it’s likely to be way more expensive through only one source, if BLL keeps it away from the copy cats.

@Randy probably not. The vial and my BAC water were probably only out 10 minutes while I was getting set up. Next time I get some, I will do the techniques outlined in the responses above. For now, I just moved on to Tesa/Ipa.
Nexaph only has the 2 mg vials. Maybe that will recon better than the 10 mg vials if concentration is a factor in cloudiness or gelling as well. The cost of one of their kits is about the same as two single 10 mg vials.

@Stevepep oops sorry that was dumb. I edited the post.

@JtCjEfF Lol I literally laughed out loud at the title.

This is a very interesting video. It is a deep dive into peptide manufacturing from one of the few American peptide producers. It is a bit science-y and technical, if you’re into that.
Trevor Kruder is the CEO of Alpha Biolabs. He also has interesting takes on peptide dosing sprinkled throughout the video.
Alpha BioLabs supplies to Biolongivity, who sells FLGR and Klotho, referencing another popular thread on this forum. (Trevor is much less of a tool than Jay though.)

Omg, I forgot the video link:
https://youtu.be/KOsy-pN8I9I?is=yKjkB8CeHfFfpk7G

@pep_researcher thanks for the reply. I said above I’m not really going for weight loss. I’m going for body recomp. I had a few months of severe illness with months of high dose prednisone. I developed steroid myopathy. Pre illness, I was 10 pound less, and 27% body fat and did tons of cardio. No lifting.
Now I’m 10 pounds heavier but 44% body fat. So I'm basically down 10 pound lean weight and up 20 pounds of fat. I’m weak as a kitten and trying to like lifting, but I don’t like it yet. Lol
I want help with body recomp. Maybe peps are silly and I just need to lift more often. I’m doing once a week on my own, once with a trainer, and maybe one more time if I can get off work at a reasonable time. I was hoping peps would speed this along.

I have heard that sublingual trochies are a good idea for immediate absorption. You can put one in your cheek while working out. But I don’t know where to get them besides Telehealth companies and compounding pharmacies which are terribly expensive. I wanted to try subq but am having no luck with good reconstitution yet. (I got some good ideas on recon from this forum, though.)

Do people have experience with nutritional ketosis when using fat mobilizing peptides like tesa or AOD?

I stay in a mild caloric deficit and mild ketosis with a ketone level only at 0.5 to 1.0. I eat about 1 g of protein per pound of body weight, 20 to 30 g carbs, and the rest in fat. My blood sugar stays between 50 and 80. I may hit a blood sugar of 90 once a week. My fasting insulin level is below 10. Every few days I will eat 40 or 50 g of carbs (mainly rice) just to have my pancreas make some insulin. Even then, my blood sugar barely changes. I’m not trying to lose weight really. I’m going for body recomposition. I lift 2 to 3 times a week.

I am wondering if these fat mobilizing peptides actually work better in the absence of an elevated insulin level. The limited studies on ketosis and the effects on growth hormone are conflicting.

So I wanted to know if anyone has any practical experience living a keto lifestyle and using these peptides. Am I wasting my money or am I giving myself an edge?

I have read a lot about reconstituting this. Some people say to use acetic acid or PBS or whatnot. And then other people are of the opinion that if it doesn’t recon well with regular hospra bac water, it is probably just a bad peptide vial regardless.
So I got one vial from S1 research and two from Southern Aminos. The one from S1 gelled, and the two from Southern were instantly cloudy and never cleared. I used the same bottle of hospita bac water that I used for my other peptides recently, and never had a recon problem.
So does anyone have extensive experience with AOD? Is there really a trick to it or not? I am also aware that a lot of people do not like this peptide at all. I do have tesa/Ipa that I haven’t touched yet.

@mmp holy crap! That’s nuts. I hope the people that buy this know what it is. It acts locally, it’s like chemical liposuction. If you don’t have a good administration technique, you’re going to end up all lumpy and bumpy and lopsided. Heh

I have avoided this thread since I joined 2 months ago because it was just So Much. But I just read the whole thing. WOW, I’m so invested in seeing you guys’s progress! This FLGR is fascinating! I have FOMO, but I’ll wait for the next sale. I need to up my lifting game more first. I have a trainer now, so accountability is a motivator. Lol. I love cardio and have hated lifting, but I need to put my big girl pants on and buckle down.

@member-nr4pc Deadpool and KPV. So 4 of them for a 30 day cycle. He had no further improvement after the improvement on day 6 so he wanted to stop at day 30. He is still doing great since he is keeping up with his therapy. It’s been another month, and the pain is almost completely gone now.
He had this tendinitis for 8 months and was too sore to do effective therapy. So the peptides made a huge difference!

@ogsteve I’m doing urolthelin A now. It has lots of actual human studies on mitophogy. I have been taking it for months now. Still don’t feel anything. Lol. I’m also running mots c now, but just starting out, so it’s a low dose. I’m doing mots c pre workout. Don’t know if that’s right or wrong. Heh. It’s the Wild West here.

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Rating: (5/5) · Peptide: Wolverine · Reviewed October 17, 2026

Received quickly. I set up a pen and taught my father how to use it. His elbow pain was reduced 50% by 6 days and it allowed him to do his physical therapy more effectively.

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