So called close out sales that are still extremely expensive.

If they stop all glps they might as well go out of business because those are the core products people want.

Switch to a 1/2” 3/16 is too swallow and often ends up subdermally not subq enough.

They all do to some degree. Reta is just the worse offender so far.

I would research Vyleesi and see what the name brand ranges they dose at. I think it’s 1.75mg incidentally but that is likely too high to try.

Perhaps half that or less and see how it’s tolerated. I’ve heard some rough stories that it causes awful sides like nausea headaches vomiting. But who knows what kind of dosing they did.

I’m interested to see how it improves refractory rates in men.

@hunt_ak maybe I didn’t explain my thoughts that it does suppress and coming off will rebound naturally maybe that’s 3 days or week will those ranges originally still hold? If you’re a 20s something guy maybe it rebounds but a middle aged man who knows?

So if you’re middle aged and have a raw score of say 200ish if you try 2-3ius and see your igf surge to 300 and decide it’s not for you due to the hand pain or bloat, where does that leave you in your original good range?

That’s my question and I haven’t seen anyone post IGF ranges confirming this. I only see the general idea that it rebounds in 48-72hours. Maybe that works in your 20s or 30s idk.

@JtCjEfF second week only? It will take a month before every is adjusted and saturated. 4-5 half life cycles.

Keep an eye on the labs too

@blueskies27

I think that answers your question of how you will feel on HGH. 1-3 iu. Cause you’re already pushing a great range of IGF. Just more joint problems and bloat.

If you’re looking at a healthy longevity thing hgh at this point isn’t really going to add much, especially at 1-2 IUs. You had a good baseline which improved with the peptides.

Hgh will replace your own stuff and shut down. So gotta keep taking it. There are some risks going higher 200s +2 beyond in the z score. I hear of hand wrist pains and bloat. If you decide to get off it you’ll be shut down and miserable until it recovers and maybe it doesn’t go back to the original baseline.

As the others said it’s cool to have different goals, but know what you’re getting into. One 100iu kit won’t cut it, you need a minimum amount of 4 months doses at the highest anticipated dose to see what happens.

So what singles do we want to sample this round? Now’s the time.

It works for a lot of folks. I like it. Mild not jittery and I don’t mix it with anything aside from my morning coffee.

I found selank before bed give me a little deeper tracked sleep even when I get 6 hours

@hunt_ak double that dose seems a little aggressive. I’d like to hear how it goes, keep posted

@Stevepep in all honesty I wouldn’t use insurance Or bother with drs. You’ll pay more with copays vs cash self directed.

I just got testosterone, estrogen sensitive, IGF, prolactin, progesterone, A1c, cbc, cmp all for $106 out the door. That would be idk $2000+ to bill tk insurance and would never cover it.

Simple stuff would be under $50 easy

@pep_researcher I just used goodlabs I like them. You’re getting your pulls at quest or labcorp anyway so it’s not a point of service thing it’s a commodity cost basis thing at this point.

Some like goodlabs you can create a custom panel and share that with others. Don’t forget to looks for discount codes in any place you use

U can always import results from one to the other.

Def get CBC CMP and lipids, A1c. If you’re a man I’d suggest adding a testosterone panel and an IGF as these will be good for a baseline later in research.

There’s a few good markers like for inflammation and dementia that can pack on the price but those can wait.

For the dementia one ptau217 it’s a new one but if you come back high now, you can make aggressive lifestyle changes and improve your outlook 20 years from now.

You answered your own question and trying to complicate things by overselling yourself.

Since your labs have improved and the quality of life has as well, don’t change it. Check levels at least every 6 months and revisit this then.

I like 2.5ml bac, giving. 250 units and .4mcg per BPC/KPV/TB.

Run for 6 weeks, 2-4 weeks off depending on the aches. Usual clears up stuff by week 2-3

@ManicXmedic the white box unbranded must be the kits in circulation with the discount aas outlets. 100-150 ius

They’re absolutely going to target retailers on the GLPs. All of those have patents and they want karma bucks rolling in.

A company like kimera cut off all glps this year and put their catalog on login to keep going.

@Neil-McCauley idk my dr wont test beyond annual physical lab work without symptoms. If I did press, like I have before for hormone panel, I end up paying dearly for the lab work copay and such.

Self directed labs are the way to go. They’re done thru quest and labcore anyway. But IGF is always more than hormones and basics

Yep. Skin thing is common, I’ve experienced it. Mostly on sides of thighs lower back. Not all the time and not painful. Mostly when fabric moves over it.

@EXTROPIAN what’s your current blend for nasal, 3ml saline or some bac in there?

You get what 100mcg per mechanical spray?