Klotho / FLGR242 (albumin-bound new tech)
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PS- Cell Factors come with Sterile Water, you must NEVER reconstitute CF with BAC water it instantly degrades it! BEWARE!!!! Only use Sterile Water that it ships with!!!
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“You on the other hand would be a GREAT test subject
”This is what we in the industry refer to as a backhanded compliment. Lmao
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“You on the other hand would be a GREAT test subject
”This is what we in the industry refer to as a backhanded compliment. Lmao
@ResearchCat He's a rascal! He's goading me into another purchase!!! It's probably going to work
Six hours to pull the trigger or wait to see if the 4th of July brings another sale opportunity. Hmmm -
@PeptidePete Did you see the email for the 48hr sale?
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Tbh this is my favorite thread to keep lurking in. Hopefully more of this shit starts coming up regularly.
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@peptidepete Where can I find functional protocols for these? I looked around some and didn’t find very much.
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@quicksilver80 and prices get much better. When the discount on your purchase is $2,500, maybe you’re spending too much on this stuff.
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@peptidepete Where can I find functional protocols for these? I looked around some and didn’t find very much.
@peptidepete Where can I find functional protocols for these? I looked around some and didn’t find very much.
Worth considering, from the perspective of 65 year old 95% optimized man:
Protocols are forever or until something better comes along. If your natural levels are compromised from aging why would you EVER think of "cycling"?? It make no sense. Also look at lifespan of myostatin null mammals (perfect).
Klotho one vial (10mcg) every two weeks. NEVER excessively dose this, more is never better and can cause big problems.
FLGR242 one vial (5mg) every week for the first month then 1mg every day. NEVER injected IM, ALWAYS subQ. I use a pen. My wife is now doing 2.5mg once per week.
Cell Factors - my current thought is let your wallet be your guide. I'm planning 1 vial Cell Factors MAX per month. I have no issues, just for optimization.
I would strongly suggest folks can call or email BioLongevityLabs to ask for their in-house produced spec sheets with much more detailed info.
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@quicksilver80 and prices get much better. When the discount on your purchase is $2,500, maybe you’re spending too much on this stuff.
@quicksilver80 and prices get much better. When the discount on your purchase is $2,500, maybe you’re spending too much on this stuff.
LOL
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thanks Pete! I will send them a note. I appreciate that this is a long term protocol; i was mostly interested to know the dosing, which you provided.
. For now I will do some more research as this is definitely a wallet-pummeling treatment plan, and maybe dip my toes into it. I still have work to do in the peptide space. -
Lmao, I requested the spec sheets and got a really long form email lecturing me about how they are not selling things for human consumption and can’t provide me with a protocol or dosing recomendation, etc etc, and I responded, ‘yeah, okay, but I just asked for spec sheets.
Anyway, that was annoying.
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They also sent me links to Jay’s Youtube channel, which as you indicated earlier, has been deleted.
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Yeah, totally stonewalled. They sent me to Jay’s defunct channel, their web site, and a skool.
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Now they’re asking me if I am happy with the response they gave me.. this week has been an all around goat rodeo, but life is good.
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So tried to download and pin the FLGR cheat sheet (PDF) which is behind the subscription to Jay's FOH community. File size is too large. Plus it's kinda proprietary so maybe for the best. So I'm gonna do this the old fashioned way and type it.
Men's Cycle: Run continuously for up to 36 weeks (3 phases) then 6-12 weeks off to reset
Weeks 1-12 2.5mg/week or 5mg every two weeks
Weeks 13-24. 5.0 mg weekly split- 2.5mg Tuesday + 2.5mg Friday
Optional Weeks 25-36 10mg/week(max)
*** implies this is for folks making gains for show prep, cover shoots, etc.
There's also a women's cycle which is essentially half of everything above.
Now the way actual users are handling dosing is all over the place. Some daily, some 2-3 times a week, weekly, etc.
There is little science because we are the science! The video Pete linked on X a few days ago is about how most of the YouTube videos unfolded so worth a listen if you want to meet the chemist. Listening toJay Campbell is kinda like eating fish eggs- you can do it but you might have to plug your nose. No dis' on your culinary choices Pete! -
Thats interesting. So did it help or hinder weight loss? Retas stalled for my ts. Inquiring minds and all that. Haha also is there even a grey vendor for these? Seems like the lionsshare is gate kept by a bunch of american resellers with single syllable names like chip and rod.
It is a VERY complicated construct. I would NOT even think of going outside (grey) the current ecosystem right now. WAY too risky from multiple aspects. Just buy it on sale with quantity discounts.
Consider your question! 'Weight loss" is not my goal and should NOT be your question. Body composition is. I'm up 17 lbs from bottom (155lbs), and now 12.5% body fat. So, fat way down, lean mass way up in 5 months. At age 65 what i did was "impossible" (lol)
You need to be quantifying your body composition. I use an InBody H30 with religiously repeated weighing parameters- AM, after toilet/sauna/resistance workout/shower. It must be identical regimen prior to every measure for repeatability. Absolute numbers not critical, but you get a clear TREND.
@PeptidePete said:
Consider your question! 'Weight loss" is not my goal and should NOT be your question. Body composition is. I'm up 17 lbs from bottom (155lbs), and now 12.5% body fat. So, fat way down, lean mass way up in 5 months. At age 65 what i did was "impossible" (lol)Wow.....I missed out on a lot of discussion and just getting caught up now.
First off, thanks for sharing your experience in such detail.
I am a slightly younger, old dude at 57, so I am reading your progress with great interest.
I will not be purchasing kg's of caviar or going full carnivore, but I am guessing most people who will be using this peptide won't be on any of those eating protocols.
I did note that you are researching a bunch of 'supportive' elements. This is probably near impossible for you to answer, but it's worth a shot. At this point in time, I am not really interested in researching TRT and/or the GH Route. I'm not saying never , but that's just me at this point in time.
Are you able to discern how much of the gains are solely from the FLGR242 ? Do you feel that there are synergies between the GH and T and FLGR242 ?
I know this is totally speculative, but do you feel that someone not researching GH or T would see some form of noticeable results ?
Thanks for sharing, cheers!
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@PeptidePete said:
Consider your question! 'Weight loss" is not my goal and should NOT be your question. Body composition is. I'm up 17 lbs from bottom (155lbs), and now 12.5% body fat. So, fat way down, lean mass way up in 5 months. At age 65 what i did was "impossible" (lol)Wow.....I missed out on a lot of discussion and just getting caught up now.
First off, thanks for sharing your experience in such detail.
I am a slightly younger, old dude at 57, so I am reading your progress with great interest.
I will not be purchasing kg's of caviar or going full carnivore, but I am guessing most people who will be using this peptide won't be on any of those eating protocols.
I did note that you are researching a bunch of 'supportive' elements. This is probably near impossible for you to answer, but it's worth a shot. At this point in time, I am not really interested in researching TRT and/or the GH Route. I'm not saying never , but that's just me at this point in time.
Are you able to discern how much of the gains are solely from the FLGR242 ? Do you feel that there are synergies between the GH and T and FLGR242 ?
I know this is totally speculative, but do you feel that someone not researching GH or T would see some form of noticeable results ?
Thanks for sharing, cheers!
@PeptidePete said:
Consider your question! 'Weight loss" is not my goal and should NOT be your question. Body composition is. I'm up 17 lbs from bottom (155lbs), and now 12.5% body fat. So, fat way down, lean mass way up in 5 months. At age 65 what i did was "impossible" (lol)Wow.....I missed out on a lot of discussion and just getting caught up now.
First off, thanks for sharing your experience in such detail.
I am a slightly younger, old dude at 57, so I am reading your progress with great interest.
I will not be purchasing kg's of caviar or going full carnivore, but I am guessing most people who will be using this peptide won't be on any of those eating protocols.
I did note that you are researching a bunch of 'supportive' elements. This is probably near impossible for you to answer, but it's worth a shot. At this point in time, I am not really interested in researching TRT and/or the GH Route. I'm not saying never , but that's just me at this point in time.
Are you able to discern how much of the gains are solely from the FLGR242 ? Do you feel that there are synergies between the GH and T and FLGR242 ?
I know this is totally speculative, but do you feel that someone not researching GH or T would see some form of noticeable results ?
Thanks for sharing, cheers!
You are welcome, cheers!
A proper diet, especially no sugars, no carbs, and avoidance of plants/nuts/beans that are chock full of anti-nutrients (look it up) is the base of the protocol and success pyramid.
If a person eats sugar, flour, and beans all day, we can't be friends and you will find no successes. Same for being fat, fix that first otherwise you are wasting time and money. Just facts and I won't sugarcoat
the facts. If your CGM is crying for mercy and emitting smoke every day while measuring your glucose levels, you are failing and will continue to fail.With that said, to answer your good questions, yes I DO have experience now that TRT, TRT+ and TRT++ will provide synergistic results, at every step, all the way up.
I measured my specs on the InBody yesterday and frankly it is scary what is happening with my body composition. The Lean Mass and Skeletal Muscle Mass just keep marching higher, fat keeps dropping. It's crazy.
The pre-fun stuff with FLGR only accounts for better than 50% of that, closer to 70%.
For someone desiring to experiment with their new metabolism after fixing being fat and their diet, FLGR is the key to unlock what should otherwise not be possible for a mid-60's man. My numbers are "impossible" by conventional standards. I fcking love it and I love this research journey and I will be proudly showing this 12% BF body on my upcoming vacation.
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Seth Capehart just made a pretty good video about T and all that where he basically said what you just did, @peptidepete .
Before anything else, fix your diet, your sleep, and work out for six months. See how that works. Then try other stuff. Because like you said, if you don’t and won’t do that anyway, all the other stuff won’t help the way it should. And if you do all the other stuff and won’t eat right and exercise, you’re wasting your money anyway.
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Seth Capehart just made a pretty good video about T and all that where he basically said what you just did, @peptidepete .
Before anything else, fix your diet, your sleep, and work out for six months. See how that works. Then try other stuff. Because like you said, if you don’t and won’t do that anyway, all the other stuff won’t help the way it should. And if you do all the other stuff and won’t eat right and exercise, you’re wasting your money anyway.
Seth Capehart just made a pretty good video about T and all that where he basically said what you just did, @peptidepete .
Before anything else, fix your diet, your sleep, and work out for six months. See how that works. Then try other stuff. Because like you said, if you don’t and won’t do that anyway, all the other stuff won’t help the way it should. And if you do all the other stuff and won’t eat right and exercise, you’re wasting your money anyway.
100% pure truth, thank you for the comment.
7 years ago an "anti-aging" doc gave me test cyp and omnitrope prescription and addressed zero of what needed fixing (diet/visceral fat) for those to work. It was a fcking disaster. My labs turned to crap within months and I felt like sht.
I took myself off everything after 3 years and went to see Dr. Sean O'Mara. Was MRI scanned and as I knew, I was riddled with visceral fat. Embraced the new protocol IN EVERY DETAIL with no fcking excuses for past 3+ years. X3 Force bar 15 minutes/session, 2-3x weekly. Transformed within the first few months and maintained therafter. The required foundation for anything and everything else.
With that fundamental floor in place I have been able to research FLGR, Test (now sublingual oralonly.com) and GH and other fun stuff and achieve amazing benefits not otherwise possible with labs and scans that are beautiful.
A person either figures out the reality of optimization and earns amazing successes, or adds another failure to their life, simple as that. Put in the homework and work and earn your benefits. Easy peazy.
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Seth Capehart just made a pretty good video about T and all that where he basically said what you just did, @peptidepete .
Before anything else, fix your diet, your sleep, and work out for six months. See how that works. Then try other stuff. Because like you said, if you don’t and won’t do that anyway, all the other stuff won’t help the way it should. And if you do all the other stuff and won’t eat right and exercise, you’re wasting your money anyway.
100% pure truth, thank you for the comment.
7 years ago an "anti-aging" doc gave me test cyp and omnitrope prescription and addressed zero of what needed fixing (diet/visceral fat) for those to work. It was a fcking disaster. My labs turned to crap within months and I felt like sht.
I took myself off everything after 3 years and went to see Dr. Sean O'Mara. Was MRI scanned and as I knew, I was riddled with visceral fat. Embraced the new protocol IN EVERY DETAIL with no fcking excuses for past 3+ years. X3 Force bar 15 minutes/session, 2-3x weekly. Transformed within the first few months and maintained therafter. The required foundation for anything and everything else.
With that fundamental floor in place I have been able to research FLGR, Test (now sublingual oralonly.com) and GH and other fun stuff and achieve amazing benefits not otherwise possible with labs and scans that are beautiful.
A person either figures out the reality of optimization and earns amazing successes, or adds another failure to their life, simple as that. Put in the homework and work and earn your benefits. Easy peazy.
@PeptidePete I assume you meant Dr. Sean O'Mara. Does he have you doing sprints too? I know he is a big fan of sprinting. That is what got me started on sprints. It really has helped a lot for reducing visceral fat. Along with dialing everything else in as well.
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