Klotho / FLGR242 (albumin-bound new tech)
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Same. Not saying I am right or wrong here, but just sharing my experience. I refrigerate my reconstituted Tesa that has been acquired through 3 different sources with my own testing confirming it is indeed legit and had never had any of it gel. I only use hospira BAC though. I’ve known people with at least one of the same sources that used their BAC(not hospira) and it did in fact gel in the fridge
@MacLeeezy Yes 100% Hospira for me as well. I have heard too many stories about bad results trying cheap BAC. It just isn't worth it.
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In an effort to get Pete's thread back on track here's some N=1 dexa data that could be interesting for those poking around FLGR:
Jan 20. Tot mass: 168.1lbs, Lean mass: 128lbs, BF 20.7%, Fat mass: 34.8lbs, Visceral Fat:1.37lbs
July 2. Tot mass: 162.2lbs, Lean mass: 136.2lbs, BF 12.9%, Fat mass: 20.8lbs, Vis Fat: 0.91 lbs
Quick math: Tot mass: -5.9lbs, Lean mass: +8.2 lbs, BF -7.8%, Fat mass: -14lbs, Vis Fat: -0.46lbs
FLGR started second week of March. Started low 1.25mg/wk for weeks 1-2, 2.5mg/2.5mg thereafter until 2 weeks ago, now 5mg/wk. Other relevant stack items: Reta, CJC/Ipa, Enclomiphene 6.25mg/day.
Are there other ways to get these results? Sure. -
@stones67 you are right, my apologies to @peptidepete, I didnt mean to alter the course of discussion on your conversation thread, out of respect i wont explain myself on here, start another one, last thing ill say is go to egrifta.com and use the side by side comparison table to compare egrifta SV against egrifta WR, WR is the second generation tesamorelin and WR stands for without refrigeration, then read the write up about egrifta and why they had to do it, it all comes down to when and where you get it from, sorry again @peptidepete
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In an effort to get Pete's thread back on track here's some N=1 dexa data that could be interesting for those poking around FLGR:
Jan 20. Tot mass: 168.1lbs, Lean mass: 128lbs, BF 20.7%, Fat mass: 34.8lbs, Visceral Fat:1.37lbs
July 2. Tot mass: 162.2lbs, Lean mass: 136.2lbs, BF 12.9%, Fat mass: 20.8lbs, Vis Fat: 0.91 lbs
Quick math: Tot mass: -5.9lbs, Lean mass: +8.2 lbs, BF -7.8%, Fat mass: -14lbs, Vis Fat: -0.46lbs
FLGR started second week of March. Started low 1.25mg/wk for weeks 1-2, 2.5mg/2.5mg thereafter until 2 weeks ago, now 5mg/wk. Other relevant stack items: Reta, CJC/Ipa, Enclomiphene 6.25mg/day.
Are there other ways to get these results? Sure.In an effort to get Pete's thread back on track here's some N=1 dexa data that could be interesting for those poking around FLGR:
Jan 20. Tot mass: 168.1lbs, Lean mass: 128lbs, BF 20.7%, Fat mass: 34.8lbs, Visceral Fat:1.37lbs
July 2. Tot mass: 162.2lbs, Lean mass: 136.2lbs, BF 12.9%, Fat mass: 20.8lbs, Vis Fat: 0.91 lbs
Quick math: Tot mass: -5.9lbs, Lean mass: +8.2 lbs, BF -7.8%, Fat mass: -14lbs, Vis Fat: -0.46lbs
FLGR started second week of March. Started low 1.25mg/wk for weeks 1-2, 2.5mg/2.5mg thereafter until 2 weeks ago, now 5mg/wk. Other relevant stack items: Reta, CJC/Ipa, Enclomiphene 6.25mg/day.
Are there other ways to get these results? Sure.SWEET!
Enviable results. Congrats on the smart and hard work
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Jeff- kindly relocate if not appropriate for a new category.
Multi-vial care package delivered today from BioLongevity, pinned both with 30 minutes between each. No site reactions, feel fine, great actually.
Super intrigued by both, I've done my homework. 60's male in great health, 2.5 year carnivore, focused on maximizing healthspan. Anyone else throwing caution to the wind and researching these two?
@PeptidePete Yes! I have been using both for about 6 months. I honestly can't say how much I feel with the Klotho, but it's more about blood work anyway. I have better Kidney function and my blood markers show that since starting. Don't know if it's worth the money since I don't have significant health issues that Klotho would address anyway. But it is supposed to be the longevity peptide.
The FLGR 242, a different story. It has allowed me to drop Reta to a microdose since it burns fat so effectively. I'm a 61 year old man and have been on TRT for 6 years. Since taking the FLGR-242, I have put on more muscle and gotten ripped. I have always worked out and had good muscle size. Now it is a little bigger and like I said, ripped.
Klotho may be doing other amazing things that I don't see. That's why I still take it, but I am taking the FLGR 242 because of the results I can see. It's really a fantastic product! Hope that helps.
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@PeptidePete Yes! I have been using both for about 6 months. I honestly can't say how much I feel with the Klotho, but it's more about blood work anyway. I have better Kidney function and my blood markers show that since starting. Don't know if it's worth the money since I don't have significant health issues that Klotho would address anyway. But it is supposed to be the longevity peptide.
The FLGR 242, a different story. It has allowed me to drop Reta to a microdose since it burns fat so effectively. I'm a 61 year old man and have been on TRT for 6 years. Since taking the FLGR-242, I have put on more muscle and gotten ripped. I have always worked out and had good muscle size. Now it is a little bigger and like I said, ripped.
Klotho may be doing other amazing things that I don't see. That's why I still take it, but I am taking the FLGR 242 because of the results I can see. It's really a fantastic product! Hope that helps.
Oh, and be careful with the FLGR-242 injections. Do not get it into your muscles. It can cause big reaction knots that stay for awhile if you do. Those reactions are noted on Jay Campbell's inner Sanctum Telegram private group page. I have never had any issues and I inject FLGR-242 twice a week 2.5mg per injection. I am now backing off to do 1mg twice per week, as I have gotten the results I was going for. Now I am in maintenance phase.
The Klotho, I inject IM twice a week as well, but have not increased dose since it can be dangerous to inject too much Klotho.Some people have said it's the albumin binder that causes the reactions, but it can't be if you can IM the Klotho since both have the binder. It is something in the FLGR product that makes it bad for IM injections.
Joel
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Oh, and be careful with the FLGR-242 injections. Do not get it into your muscles. It can cause big reaction knots that stay for awhile if you do. Those reactions are noted on Jay Campbell's inner Sanctum Telegram private group page. I have never had any issues and I inject FLGR-242 twice a week 2.5mg per injection. I am now backing off to do 1mg twice per week, as I have gotten the results I was going for. Now I am in maintenance phase.
The Klotho, I inject IM twice a week as well, but have not increased dose since it can be dangerous to inject too much Klotho.Some people have said it's the albumin binder that causes the reactions, but it can't be if you can IM the Klotho since both have the binder. It is something in the FLGR product that makes it bad for IM injections.
Joel
@djoelcassell hey Joel.
I do klotho and i split it to 1 a week instead of every 2 weeks.
Has there been any changes were its best 2x a week?
And also i do it subq, is it better IM?
Thanks
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Thanks for adding in your experiences guys. Super helpful. Gonna continue my flgr 5mg/week 'blast' phase for another 8 weeks or so. Trying to decide if I should return to 2.5mg/week and 'cruise' or wean off and see what happens. Kinda curious about the claimed muscle mass preservation that's been discussed. Open to suggestions/opinions!
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Thanks for adding in your experiences guys. Super helpful. Gonna continue my flgr 5mg/week 'blast' phase for another 8 weeks or so. Trying to decide if I should return to 2.5mg/week and 'cruise' or wean off and see what happens. Kinda curious about the claimed muscle mass preservation that's been discussed. Open to suggestions/opinions!
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Between Jan 20 and July 2 I gained 8.2lbs of lean mass (see other basic stats above). FLGR was added the first week of march so obviously the timing is off for best analysis. All I can say is I've been working out using the Tonal system for over 4 years so had some decent muscularity present (just hidden behind a modest layer of you know what). I started off with Reta the first week of December (again timing of first Dexa not ideal) at 182lbs so had lost 12-14ish lbs prior to my initial Dexa. GH secretagogues and enclomiphene added a few weeks after reta as I became more curious and informed (and had some labs done). So I'm 7 months into this. I've seen your pics so shout out to you sir!
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Between Jan 20 and July 2 I gained 8.2lbs of lean mass (see other basic stats above). FLGR was added the first week of march so obviously the timing is off for best analysis. All I can say is I've been working out using the Tonal system for over 4 years so had some decent muscularity present (just hidden behind a modest layer of you know what). I started off with Reta the first week of December (again timing of first Dexa not ideal) at 182lbs so had lost 12-14ish lbs prior to my initial Dexa. GH secretagogues and enclomiphene added a few weeks after reta as I became more curious and informed (and had some labs done). So I'm 7 months into this. I've seen your pics so shout out to you sir!
@Stones67 thanks brother.
Im actually now in a Reverse phase diet because going to 30% BF to 8% is virtually impossible.
So im at maintenance now till end of summer.
Then im doing an aggressive cut to 8% BF then rest on maintenance for Christmas.
Starting January i want to start a lean bulk and thats when im considering FLGR.
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Well I don't think you'll disappointed. While I was doing my own research, it was Pete's posting way back in Dec/Jan that gave me the courage to eventually lay out the $$$$ and go for it! It's been impressive and I've been going easy on the protocol until recently. So by the time you make your decision I might be able to add some additional data points if I truly cycle off. On the other hand I'm also researching some other things I might try during that break so....... Ya, I've got a problem!
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Have yall seen the te cartel video? Was 4 months old but relevant https://youtu.be/mKkha0OJxLQ?si=oPZOFzkVFl7np_Ua
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@PeptidePete Yes! I have been using both for about 6 months. I honestly can't say how much I feel with the Klotho, but it's more about blood work anyway. I have better Kidney function and my blood markers show that since starting. Don't know if it's worth the money since I don't have significant health issues that Klotho would address anyway. But it is supposed to be the longevity peptide.
The FLGR 242, a different story. It has allowed me to drop Reta to a microdose since it burns fat so effectively. I'm a 61 year old man and have been on TRT for 6 years. Since taking the FLGR-242, I have put on more muscle and gotten ripped. I have always worked out and had good muscle size. Now it is a little bigger and like I said, ripped.
Klotho may be doing other amazing things that I don't see. That's why I still take it, but I am taking the FLGR 242 because of the results I can see. It's really a fantastic product! Hope that helps.
@PeptidePete Yes! I have been using both for about 6 months. I honestly can't say how much I feel with the Klotho, but it's more about blood work anyway. I have better Kidney function and my blood markers show that since starting. Don't know if it's worth the money since I don't have significant health issues that Klotho would address anyway. But it is supposed to be the longevity peptide.
The FLGR 242, a different story. It has allowed me to drop Reta to a microdose since it burns fat so effectively. I'm a 61 year old man and have been on TRT for 6 years. Since taking the FLGR-242, I have put on more muscle and gotten ripped. I have always worked out and had good muscle size. Now it is a little bigger and like I said, ripped.
Klotho may be doing other amazing things that I don't see. That's why I still take it, but I am taking the FLGR 242 because of the results I can see. It's really a fantastic product! Hope that helps.
Wow! Here's to ripped "old" guys! lol
Great post, full agreement
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@djoelcassell hey Joel.
I do klotho and i split it to 1 a week instead of every 2 weeks.
Has there been any changes were its best 2x a week?
And also i do it subq, is it better IM?
Thanks
@djoelcassell hey Joel.
I do klotho and i split it to 1 a week instead of every 2 weeks.
Has there been any changes were its best 2x a week?
And also i do it subq, is it better IM?
Thanks
Please be very careful with "excess" Klotho dosing, too much is said to potentially cause big problems. The inventor (75 y/o and one kidney) is being aggressive and "only" dosing a vial every 12 days instead of 14. I would respectfully suggest a vial per week is far too close to the "edge", with all risk and no benefits. Cheers friend!
I just realized I think you mean 1/2 vial per week in which case the risk of excess dose is removed, however now you have risk of degradation while half-vial is reconstituted and sits in fridge. No proof of this, just risky and expensive mistake if it does degrade.
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Im doing it based off the last video they did.
1 vial was for 11 days. I split the vial and do it 1/2 vial every 7 days .
I really dont think a peptide should have degradation for 7 days mixed.
Are you just doing every 11 days?
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DiegoIm doing it based off the last video they did.
1 vial was for 11 days. I split the vial and do it 1/2 vial every 7 days .
I really dont think a peptide should have degradation for 7 days mixed.
Are you just doing every 11 days?
Thanks
DiegoGotcha. Every 12 days, one vial a-Klotho.
Side note- for research purposes I have dropped back to 5mg FLGR once per week.
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@djoelcassell hey Joel.
I do klotho and i split it to 1 a week instead of every 2 weeks.
Has there been any changes were its best 2x a week?
And also i do it subq, is it better IM?
Thanks
Please be very careful with "excess" Klotho dosing, too much is said to potentially cause big problems. The inventor (75 y/o and one kidney) is being aggressive and "only" dosing a vial every 12 days instead of 14. I would respectfully suggest a vial per week is far too close to the "edge", with all risk and no benefits. Cheers friend!
I just realized I think you mean 1/2 vial per week in which case the risk of excess dose is removed, however now you have risk of degradation while half-vial is reconstituted and sits in fridge. No proof of this, just risky and expensive mistake if it does degrade.
@PeptidePete Hello!
I can't say for sure if it's "better" IM. When I look at the research most of the injections were IM, so to be on the safe side I do it that way.
Since you've been Sub-Q'ing, maybe you could inject IM for six weeks and see if there are changes. I'd be interested to see. THis stuff ain't cheap though, so I don't really want to experiment. LolGood luck with it! I'm going to keep doing both Klotho and FLGR-242 for now. Still seeing great results from the FLGR-242! I now know enough people who are all gaining with it to say it is a fantastic compound!
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@djoelcassell hey Joel.
I do klotho and i split it to 1 a week instead of every 2 weeks.
Has there been any changes were its best 2x a week?
And also i do it subq, is it better IM?
Thanks
@diegoc Hello there!
I was part of the Jay Campbell's inner sanctum group for awhile and Jay saw tremendous gains from doing it daily. He was doing it bi-weekly then changed to daily to test it. When he did he saw immediate gains and benefits. There was a lot of conversation between many experienced users and I just watched and listened. I thought it could have been that when Jay changed from q 2 weeks to q day he had just reached a level in his system that would have taken him there anyway. The inventor of FLGR-242 (mike) gave a few reasons why taking it more frequently could be better, but was skeptical. I thought the same. So I tried it three times per week (from once every two weeks) and I did see more of the fat loss benefit, but my muscle gains did not increase. I am now at two times per week since reaching a point that I didn't want to lose any more fat and I've backed off on my dosage to 2.5mg. I'm still seeing muscle gains, so I've actually had to alter my workouts so I don't grow anymore.
There is no definitive proof that taking it more frequently helps in muscle growth, but there is experiential and anecdotal evidence that taking it more frequently will shred you better.Hope that helps!
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@PeptidePete Hello!
I can't say for sure if it's "better" IM. When I look at the research most of the injections were IM, so to be on the safe side I do it that way.
Since you've been Sub-Q'ing, maybe you could inject IM for six weeks and see if there are changes. I'd be interested to see. THis stuff ain't cheap though, so I don't really want to experiment. LolGood luck with it! I'm going to keep doing both Klotho and FLGR-242 for now. Still seeing great results from the FLGR-242! I now know enough people who are all gaining with it to say it is a fantastic compound!
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