I do trust some testing. But not from a manufacturer. I trust testing the most (not completely) from places like Puratec who buy from the same “manufacturers” on the grey market as everyone else - and them put their label on it and send it for testing. They are buying a limited number of kits, so the odds what they received is all from the same batch is greater. They cannot cherry pick what vials are good or not - because they have no idea and didn’t fill them. Just like you or I who bought 10 or 20 kits of the same product.
Nexaph is a manufacturer- they cannot cherry pick cherry pick what vials to send for testing. And for the rest of you who just want to believe.. well I already said my piece about how smart you are. In fact, the Judge said it best in Caddy Shack, the World needs ditch diggers too…

I have explained this MULTIPLE times.. but for the people who want to believe Elvis is still alive and that Aliens secretly control the world.
A manufacture (Nexaph) send samples out that they send in or do “third party testing “ that they pay for is in control of those results. They pick what vials they send in… if you can’t figure out what that means, you are clearly too dumb and deserve what you get.
And for those that are going to comment on the third larty trst results (that Nexaph pays for), well you are just as dumb.
Yes they have been people smart enough ( and not cheap) that have sent in Nexaph’s products for completey independent testing (like me) and the test results have come back COMPLETELY different than the ones Nexaph has posted… i am not posting them again, stop being lazy and just accepting what sounds good to you so you can continue to be cheap and tell yourself everything is fine. If you can’t afford to send yourself stuff out for testing, you Shouldn’t be buying peptides. I can’t afford to race cars, so I don’t buy a piece of shit race car, race and loose and whine that it is unfair…

@Stevepep said:

@Commander we have all been scammed in the far grey market. There is a cost to that as well. At some point, they do the take the money and run scam as well

100% BUT you are acting like no US seller has not done the same thing. And does Nexaph have an address listed on their website? Why do you think that it is impossible to do the same thing thing?

ILS officially SUCKS -I hope they fucked themselves and go out of business, or the owner gets hit by a car and dies..
Really, a $500 minimum order now? So everyone that has been supporting their business by sending in for testing -PAYING- so they can grow they business just got a fuck you, we don’t need you anymore. They no longer need us and only want the big bucks now.
Hopefully the owner gets hit by a car and dies or has a heart attack and dies, these sum bags pollute our planet a d deserve to die a horrible death.

Amazing that you people still don’t get it -it doesn’t matter what they test for - You Must Test What You Receive.
Anyone believing a vendor”s COA is an idiot.. yes that is everyone that posted in this thread…

@m.davidt
Never…

@Stevepep
This has been covered multiple times on here and other forums. I actually cut them apart myself, I didn’t look at pictures on the internet, I didn’t repeat things I heard or read - I BOUGHT BOTH PENS and cut them apart myself. I posted the detailed pictures of everything.
You have the pens, cut them apart yourself and post pictures of how they are different- put your money where your mouth is -I DID.
The only difference was in the cart adapter, and the difference was that they both came with 2 different ones, and I posted pictures of that too.
This board is good because it has good information, but is is getting mucked up because people like you keep posting just to post and you put BAD information out like this. Again put your money where your mouth is and cut the two pens apart and post the pictures. But you won’t, you will reply with multiple posts about this our that and why you don’t need to because you know this or that… bla bla bla… cut the pens apart and show is the difference. I did.

@stevensanto said:

@Randy I have given up on grey by the time you factor in the cost of testing it’s better to just go with Nexaph.

I wouldn’t trust Nexaph tests… no different than any grey supplier, they can pick and choose what vials they send for testing.
At best if you are not going to test yourself, look into 3rd party tests, at least those vials were randomly picked from the ones sent to customers.

For me, I only send one vial out for testing. A couple friends of mine ordered all at the same time, 10 kits or more of one product, and we send 1 vial out and split the cost.

@alohayall said:

@WisGal64 Cane is the least helpful person I have ever dealt with

I agree. When I had test results come back 30% lower than their test results I emailed Cain. My email started off with “I am not looking for my money back or a reship” cain never replied, even after multiple emails…

I still don’t get it. Hospira is $15 a bottle. At best price for Genetek $30ml I think I saw was $6.
Again the same people crying about the small amount of money are the same people insisting that Nexaph is the best place to buy peptides because of there Jano COAs. And Nexalh is 3 times the money as Uther, and all his stuff has Jano COAs with M&P, Heavy Metal and Endo…
I am just pointing out crying about a couple of dollars over bac water is ridiculous…..

Thank you. I may try Aavent, but the others look to confusing to me….

@nolimitcop
It actually doesn’t matter. If people don’t want to go through that hassle, they won’t. So no matter what is said on TG, Here, or any other forum won’t matter. People will simply not order from them when they can order from a vendor who doesn’t do this. There are a ton of reliable vendors out there they do not have this payment process mess, people will simply use one of them.

@Stevepep
It is not the same thing... It may be close, but not the same thing. No proven track record with all the peptides we use... Just because another country uses it as "their" back water, doesn't mean it is the same as we have. other country's drinking water standards are different than ours too, but just because they drink the water doesn't mean I will. Do you even know the ph level of this Bac water?

@pep_researcher
Completely different and not the same, but again believe what you want.
Was it something different in the pen? Did they send MT2 instead of Wagovy? Or maybe it was CJC and not Wagovy.. ya that didn’t happen. And your right, we should definitely trust a Chinese factory selling stuff illegally to us over a licensed phama company.
You are again misrepresenting what I said. I also didn’t say test your tap water every day because of the flint Michigan mess..

You should buy both and you will see for yourself. There is a reason a lot of people buy the Novo 4 and buy the adapter. But if you have to ask why, you should probably just buy something else… leave the Novo 4 for the vast amounts of people that bought 10 different pens to test them and now use the Novo 4. Probably to much trouble for you…

@JtCjEfF
My post is saying exactly what it is…
This has been discussed all over the place, STG, here, Meso, GLP-1, etc… but people want to make themselves feel better on why they justify idiotic stuff.
At least when I do something stupid, and I do a lot, I say it as it is, I don’t try and justify it. The problem with putting stupid stuff out like this is that it misguides new people into thinking this testing is legitimate. You want to fool yourself, that is fine. But it isn’t right to confuse new people.
It is simple - trusting a manufacturers COAs is stupid, plan and simple. It is simple logic.
But in the end, I actually don’t care, my stuff is tested, I don’t have to justify to myself why I don’t need to send my stuff out for testing.
Barn and others in the past have already proven that everything from grey market needs to be tested.
I wonder how many of the people that ended up in the Hospital awhile back because they were sent the wrong thing were on forums “justifying” how they don’t need to test because they vendor tested it…I wonder if we ask them now if they would still say the same thing?
This is not theory, this shit happened in the past, it will happen in the future.
I received an order from the now gone LN Peptides, IPA, MT2 and HCG. The MT2 and the HCG had the same exact cap color. What is the odds that they might have made a mistake when putting the labels on the kit? Now lets think about that for second… they have COAs for the HCG showing it is good. Great, I don’t need to test it because I have a COA with the right picture and my HCG is good, YA!!! Now I recon it with 3ml of great Hospira BAC water. Dam, I need to take my first dose. So I take my 10iu, I should be fine. Oh wait, it actually wasn’t HCG, it was MT2, now mixed way to strong. I take my 10iu, with in minutes I am throwing up and my head is on fire - dam I hope I don’t have a heart condition- now I am calling 911 hoping I don’t die…
People have ended up in the hospital because they were sent the wrong thing, it is not urban legend, it is not a story tale to scare kids into being good, it has happened.
So for anyone new here reading this. You better do your research and you will find out how many times things aren’t what the Vendors COA says it is..
Oh wait, didn’t Barn just have the same color cap vials of Reta they sent out test 5mg, 5mg, and 30mg… and what was that, less than 3 weeks ago?
Some Single vial vendors test as we do, and yes I buy from them, but they must meet a bunch of my criteria before I do..
But by all means ignore the fact that people have ended up in the hospital in the past because they were sent the wrong thing. But they wouldn’t have been in the hospital if they tested what they went sent now would they

@Stevepep said:

I would also add to the vendors if they are just repackaging grey peptides. Finishing in the US. And most importantly have batch control

No one refinishes in the US… Ya Ya Ya, Nexapha claims too, but no one hase been to their “Factory”
And even if they did, who cares, the product is from China that is that, moving Chinese people to the US and telling them package it here is no different than doing it there.
I don’t know why people get hung up on this crap that makes no difference.

I tried both. CJC gives you a flush feeling, Tesa doesn’t. Or at least that is how it was for me and my wife.
As fsr as results go, no real way to know. As far as price, you can find Tesa for the same price as CJC, so I don’t believe that is a real factor to consider.