What happens when BAC water reaches its expiration date? Should it truly be thrown out? What goes bad with it?

So as a fun side i went to chat GPT and asked for some peptide vendors, one of the top ones i saw (and was linked to) was a seemingly new vendor.

So some flags are waved at me and given the nature of E-commerce and the abundance of scammers i want to try and do as much due diligence to protect myself.

So from a business-flow standpoint and the fact that peptides can vary wildly in price it stands to reason that there is high-margin in the white-label operation everyone is engaging in. The moats people build for reputable supply chain tends to be branding...so how would a new vendor enter the market. Well any tom dick or harry can create a website take payment (and given the nature of grey-market) accept crypto/zelle only. This is red flag one for me. Its one thing to ship bad product but to black-hole payment with no recourse to potentially get nothing is truly a scam.

So then i look at, is there a product in existence? Does their COA match the company name from a more neutral third party website? Yes...but...i can't really match the company tested to the company's website, that link is dubious. Lets take my use case. The website is shopapexlabs.net Now, i can go through 99% of the process and see some things. The whois on the website is fairly new and obfuscated, not a bad practice given the nature of grey-market peptides and definitely not a bad idea for anonymity. But if i go to freedom diagnostics to look up the provided assentation number its just going to be APEXxxxxxxx Which would be good if there wasn't 100 different companies named APEX something or other....which leads me to wonder, how do i validate this isn't someone spoofing the APEX name and giving me a link to someone else's COA. not a Fake COA but just lying that that COA is for their company?

So now i'm stuck in a place...do i risk about $50 to shoot for the moon for something just to see if they ship it? From there do i even trust that if they send me a vial of white stuff i can trust the label and they aren't spoofing that as well?

Even if i sent it in for lab testing and shelled out another couple hundred on a whim, there's no real way to prove it was white-label product or proverbial snake oil.

But that brings me back to the real crux of everything. Is the risk that suppliers are taking to bring a product to market and making those Chinese connections really worth the likely 90-95% gross profit margins on products? Are they doing anything other than becoming middlemen? Why, if that's the case, are peptides seemingly still so prohibitively expensive for the layman given its small unit volume cost at scale (this is now a massive market)

And finally, how on earth is anyone supposed to break these barriers to entry to keep pressure on the supply side to allow for true market stabilization. It seems $10-20k PER peptide in just up front costs on the distributor to take a stab at trusting their original supplier. Is it really just marketing on their end to essentially last leg ship?

Right now im back to only allowing a credit card to be used, i will no longer attempt to use crypto/zelle but the utter lack of business transparency is really hurting this from a long time thing, and it feels like easy layup for the FDA to clamp down on grey-market stuff because of the inability to hold liable Chinese manufacturers and it seems like the only domestic players in the space are already a part of the bigger player's pipelines.

Anyway, thank god for this website and its vendor verification program, its not Wal-mart/Walgreeens/CVS Trustworth OTC stuff but its about as good as it can get for now...

Side note....anyone wanna try and crowdfund to setup a vertically integrated peptide synthetizing plant and do end user distribution state-side? Maybe need 2-4 mil startup....

I need to figure out a good storage solution for 300 bottles of NAD+ 1000mg 10ml vials. I have a 3d printer (H2D), I don’t know how to design anything, but I know how to print.
Anyone have any good ideas? I am stumped.

If you've been looking for Hydrapeak food jars lately, go check your local Sierra Trading Post. I hit mine today and found a bunch of them sitting in the closeout section for $12.99.

They had the 25oz size and the next size up. I snagged a solid gray one, mostly as a subtle nod to the nature of what we do here, along with a black digital camo. There were plenty of other options on the shelf, too. Given how hard these are to find online right now without paying ridiculous markups, finding them in person was a huge win. I also see them once in a while at Home Goods and TJ Maxx (All three have the same parent company) - Your store might be a gamble, but it's worth checking.

These are pretty much ideal once you drop a custom insert into them. I've been pulling designs off Printables and MakerWorld and printing my own inserts using standard PLA on my 3D printer. The PLA holds up great inside the stainless steel shell. They work nicely whether you need a quick-access layout for short-term rotation or a tighter setup for long-term storage.

If you need a solid storage option that holds temperature without breaking the bank, head over to Sierra before people clear them out.

So I bought one of those V4 pens from Ava B rose website a while ago after Rory from crush plugger her website on his page. Now I see @randy post on X the ones she sells are fake and inaccurate. Anyone have experience with these and if so how inaccurate are they? Trying to figure out how many units I've actually been taking lol

When someone tested 12 samples of bac water, only two passed muster for pH and correct percent of benzyl alcohol. One that passed was Lambda. I did not trust the results because it did not include a test for sterility, which is crucial. Besides, I had seen a negative review of Lambda bac water on Amazon that included a photo of a vial with debris floating in the sealed vial.

Bac water is no longer sold on Amazon, but ads for Lambda bac water keep popping up on my FB feeds. I responded to one ad with a question: “I expect you are using sterile vials. But, is the bac water itself also sterilized?”
The response was “Yes the vials are sterile. The BAC water contains 0.9% benzyl alcohol which the active sterilizing agent.”

Benzyl Alcohol is bacteriostatic, not bactericidal.  It inhibits bacteria from multiplying. It does NOT kill existing bacteria.  And, it also does NOT destroy viruses or fungi.  Adding 0.9% benzyl alcohol ONLY preserves the sterility of water that has ALREADY been sterilized!

Why can't we take 2 liters of distilled water (50 cents), stir in 19grams of benzyl alcohol ($2.00), and fill 200 10-mL vials ($39.00) with the solution. Seal the vials and cook them in a pressure cooker half filled with water at 10lbs of pressure (240deg F) for 10 minutes which would sterilize the vial, stopper, and the water, producing USP level sterility and very long shelf life. Distilled water is free of all minerals and its pH is between 5.8 and 6.8 (due to CO2 absorption). Benzyl alcohol remains stable to above 400deg F so the post bottling sterilization will not degrade it.

This home-made back water would be truly sterile, really contaminant free, and be the correct pH. The cost for the whole batch would be $42.00, or 21 cents for each 10mL vial.

Is anyone doing this? If not, why not?

had researched MOTS-C once about 6 months ago but only for 4-6 weeks and exclusively on tummy. There was minor itch and mosquito bite, but went away in a few hours.

restarted a couple of weeks ago with 2.5mg per 0.5ml dilution. Initial couple of weeks pins on tummy were fine, uneventful. Rat decided to try outer thigh for rotating the sites, and there seems to be a stronger reaction at this site.

Localized itching, redness, and small welts that has now lasted over two days. No other systemic reaction.

Rat is sitting on several 10mg vials and now in a dilemma

• if to continue experiment or trash remaining stock completely.
• try going back to tummy site and see if the reaction is repeating.
• aware of the discussion Jeff/Randy had on the podcast just last week and now is spooked a bit.

All vials from same vendor same batch, tested for endotoxins.

Do any of the vendors sell HGH 191AA? I do not see it listed on any of the pricing indexes

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This company communicated at every step of the process and the shipping was fast. I've used the product and it appears to be high quality. Prices are right. Very pleased. I will admit that this is a company I was unfamiliar with before Peptide Critic. For me the other reviews are spot on. Great company and I will be back.

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Ordered some Vilon but when it arrived and checked the COA it was out of spec to the label. Contacted them about it and got a quick response from owner. He not only sent the missing peptide MG but also sent the other pep I had originally ordered for free by 2 day air.

Fast shipping great service trustworthy and tested stuff. I will buy from them again!!

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For quality and price with excellent testing and fast shipping these are top of the heap. The SS-31 has been amazing and I’m glad I chose them over Chinese gray market.

S1 is my first stop when wanting to try a new pep or if I need a high quality source.

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Southern aminos service and quality are A1 timely shipping and great customer service and support.

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Very happy with quality, price, and shipping. I've placed multiple orders as have my friends.

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Ok, this is my journey. I hope this helps people not make the same mistakes.

Pre Peptide Critic: Newbie who didn't know sh*t

Pure Labe Peptides - Fake COA's. Fake carbon copy of Hospira. Bad reaction over a week of pain

Peptide Solutions - Felt nothing from the products Reta included. Fake COA's

Found Peptide Critic - Everything Changed

Mile High - Great Products, but has Kovera labs on some
Glacier - Also Great but all Kovera
Southern Amino - Great, my go-to for what EZ doesn't carry
EZ and Nexaph - My absolute go-to. Pricing and product consistency are top-notch
Crush - High hopes, but their inventory control is a joke, and the constant marketing ploys have turned me off. Products are good, though.

Grey
LN and LI Peptide - Great until they ripped everyone off
GroupBuyKits - waiting for the first order, but Randy says no go and that's enough for me

Lets all share!!!! and help more people

I’ve been looking at this web site for a few months now, and really like it.
It seems that the top referenced sellers like EX, Mile High, etc all seem to get good, >99% purity.

But, some of even the highest rated do not report Endotoxin results. For your own information, <5EU/mg is NOT a numbered result. If you look at a few sellers, they actually report the result like 0.078EU/mg for example.
Reporting <5EU/mg means it could be 4.9.

A report listing "< 5 EU/mg" usually means the laboratory set their testing equipment to a highly lenient detection threshold. Rather than looking for absolute trace purity, they are only confirming that the sample is free of massive, systemic bacterial contamination.

A < 5 EU/mg specification is the absolute baseline bare-minimum for chemical legitimacy. Premium vendors looking to eliminate variables will typically test past this threshold to prove their batches achieve the much stricter limits—like < 0.05 EU/mL or even better an actual number if not <0.05.

So look at the COA’s presented from your favorite sellers. If the actual Endo isn’t reported, my recommendation is to move on to a cleaner set of samples from a different seller.

Hi all,

I’m new to the peptide community, and my wife and I are looking to start using RETA in the near future. However, the amount of information available can be overwhelming, especially since much of it seems to be conflicting.

We’re simply trying to educate ourselves and make informed decisions. Could someone point us toward reliable resources or help guide us in the right direction?

Do not order from this Company
There products are junk and they will short you on orders. 5 Amino-1MQ was Contaminated, the Reta was not Reta and the Tesamorelin was old product.

I wanted to share this in the hopes that others might start sharing more testing info here on Peptide Critic....

I kept seeing people recommending to filter their peps and started doing some research. I found that the .2 micron filters, while good, aren't 100% for bacteria. Granted the bacteria they would miss are very rare and would not be commonly found in lyophilized peptides, but that less than 100% still bothered me.

Considering there has to be a practical and financial limit to the rabbit hole we go down for research peptide safety, and we all have to find our own comfort level with that, I started doing some more research.

I found sterile 0.1 micron filters for about $1 each and decided to go one step further and actually test them. We had a batch of Reta from JEEP that failed sterility at Janoshik. (also note that this is when we found out that Janoshik will allow someone to edit a report to change the company name, batch number, etc after the fact for a small fee. Def a red flag for doctoring "verified" tests at Janoshik).

I sent in two of those vials and two of the 0.1 Micron filters that I found. I had them reconstitute the two contaminated vials and test half of each vial unfiltered and half of each vial filtered. This confirmed for me that filtering (at least with the 0.1 micron filters) is viable and effective. Note I mistyped the MG size as 24mg instead of 34mg doh. Hope this is useful for somebody.

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